Ten things I hate about the Mac and love about Windows

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What I Hate About The Mac

1) USB Devices Always Wake the Computer – If my computer is sleeping, and I unplug my iPod to go out, why does my computer wake up? Why, why, why? Same if I’m unplugging my display/USB hub to use my computer as a laptop. The computer should NOT wake up.

2) USB Drives Can’t Simply Be Unplugged – In a similar vein to the first one, I should be able to yank out my USB drive and go. Why do I have to eject the drive first? I don’t on Windows…

3) No Cut and Paste in the Finder – Before I start, I understand the motivation for utilizing drag and drop. And for the most part, I love using drag an drop. But when I’m moving a file from one folder nested in Adam/Documents/Important/Files/Taxes/NotReallyTaxes/Games/MoveThis.file all the way to Adam/Movies/Films/A-F/Crappy Movies/ThisFileWas.moved, Drag and Drop isn’t the best option. Even if it isn’t called cut and paste (I’m aware of the problem with the name scheme), call it “Sticky Move” or “Smart Move” or something. Just include it.

4) No Universal Uninstaller – I love that applications in OS X are for the most part self contained. You can drag to a folder to install, and uninstall by dragging to trash. But for applications like Adobe Photoshop CS3, or Apple’s own Final Cut Studio, they are not self contained and to properly uninstall, one needs to resort to third party apps like AppDelete and AppZapper. Windows has an uninstaller (albeit a hit or miss one) built in. Why can’t OS X? It wouldn’t be used that much, but when it is needed, it would be invaluable.

5) Empty Trash is Severely Crippled – If I drop a file into the trash that an application is using, the trash won’t empty. It will throw up a message saying that “Trash cannot empty because such and such is in use.” This is all fine and well, unless, as I find happens much too often, none of your open applications seem to be using it. I have quit all my apps too many times to count only to find that the file was still “in use.” Is it too much to ask for OS X to at least tell me what process is using it? Then I could kill it with Activity Monitor.

What I Love About Windows

1) Ability To Install Almost Any Software – What’s the oldest software you can run natively on a new Mac? About three years. What’s the oldest software you can run natively on Windows? Way over 10 years. I had an OS9 version of Photoshop Elements. Ran in Classic on my Power PC Mac, Didn’t run at all on my Intel Mac. The Windows version (bundled on the same CD) Ran like a charm on Windows XP.

2) Maximize Done Right – I know that the green button in OS X isn’t technically a Maximize button, but I don’t know what it is. In iTunes and Calculator, its a mode switcher. In Safari, it’s a resizer. In iPhoto, iMovie, Aperture, and Firefox, it’s a maximizer. In Windows, it has, does, and always will expand the window to full screen. I understand why maximization isn’t practical in todays world of huge screens, but neither is a multi purpose vague button marked with a plus that may, in fact, make the window smaller.

3) Access to the Innards – Quick and Easy. I can delete any System File without being told I don’t have privileges even though I’m the freakin’ administrator. Great for tinkerers.

4) Easy Force Quit – By and large, it takes three clicks of “Force Quit” in OS X to actually make it force quit. In Windows,as long as you can get the Task Manager up, you can quit anything. It’s as easy as Ctrl-Alt-Del.

5) Settings are Remembered – OS X, If I leave my Finder window in the corner, I want it to stay in the corner. Windows knows this, you can learn too. Thanks.

What gripes do you have with OS X? What do you love about Windows? How about the other way around? Sound off below!

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  • Henning Stedtnitz

    Mac-3: Just drag and drop and press Command in the process to -move- the file instead of copying it. Took me a while to figure it out myself.

  • Adam Fisher-Cox

    Henning: I'm aware of it, but it doesn't solve the speed issue. Dragging and dropping to nested folders is slow.

    Mitch: Gave me a nice laugh.

    Connor: Really agree on the Activity Monitor thing.

  • jon

    You sir, are clearly retarded.

  • Joe


    To empty the trash with something open in it simply hold alt as you click empty trash. No questions asked, just empties it. 😀

    Glad to be of service.

  • Joe

    OH! And while I'm here, with the path bar turned on you can just move back up the tree like so, makes moving files loads easier.

  • Adam Fisher-Cox

    @Joe: Yes, but sometimes even this doesn't work. More often then not due to a corrupt file (which happens more often than I'd like…) but still.

  • Mac User

    "Dragging and dropping to nested folders is slow."

    That's because the Finder is a piece of crap. Millions of Mac users love it though, because it is dumbed down to their level.

    If you are serious about file management in OS X, get Path Finder. $35 but worth it, it has tabs.

    "5) Empty Trash is Severely Crippled"

    I'm with you there, and also the trash needs a way to sort deleted files by date deleted, like Windows has had since, oh, gee, I don't know, 1995?

    "2) Maximize Done Right"

    I know, right? How silly is it to not be able to maximize iTunes on the Mac side without positioning the window, then dragging the lower right corner. Apple should implement this for all apps, but they do not like to admit they are wrong, hence it took them 20 years to make a mouse with more than one button.

  • Noah

    If you want Finder to remember where you put your windows, and at what size, my trick has always been to click the finder icon in the dock. resize and reposition the window WITHOUT changing folders (ie. stay in your home folder, or whatever opens default). then 'x' the window once you have it to your likings. Never failed me yet.

  • Felipe

    Windows number 4 (Easy Force Quit), on the Mac it only takes pressing: Option+Command+Escape to access a Force Quit menu, no clicks necessary, just 'Enter' or 'Spacebar' and it will surely quit, try it…

  • David

    @Stephen Maybe some other comments are, but mine certainly shouldn't lead you to say that. I was pointing out that some of the downfalls in Mac OS X are also present in Windows (sometimes in similar forms.) You shouldn't get the conclusion that *I* think that OS X is perfect, because I clearly agree with the points in the article.

    Windows isn't perfect, neither is Mac OS X. Nothing can ever be perfect. There'll always be something (perhaps small) that either doesn't work, or doesn't seem like it's the best way to do something.

  • Chris

    "4) Easy Force Quit."
    Actually. I find that force quit works awesome on macs,
    and on my pc, 'End Task' can never actually end the task first time, and often takes 3-4 attempts. FAIL by windows there.

    I agree about most of the other things though. The "Ejecting Device" warning is just annoying.

  • Adam Fisher-Cox

    @Felipe: I'ts much less trustworthy in my tests than Ctrl-Alt-Delete. Wheras you can end a process in Windows consistently with one blow (I'm not talking about ending tasks, that NEVER works) On Mac OS X it takes at least three clicks of Force Quit. I would love to see Activity Monitor and the Force Quit window integrated as I said before.

  • Eric

    The single worst thing about OS X is not #1-5 from the post, though a few of those are annoying–it's the fact that you can only resize windows by dragging around the bottom right corner! Ugh, what a pain.

  • Adam Fisher-Cox

    I don't know why but I actually like that. I've unintentionally resized a window many many times in Windows.

  • Michael

    Windows really does have desktop organization right. I love my Mac, don't get me wrong, but sometimes I really miss the taskbar. My desktop on my Mac is always a mess.

  • Adam Fisher-Cox

    I have to disagree with you there, Mike. The taskbar serves waaay too many functions and the method of displaying windows as (rather large) buttons is extremely inferior to Exposé

  • Michael

    I also hate that, for whatever reason, Safari randomly asks me for my "login keychain" question. Happens the first time I launch Safari after booting up and often while I'm in the middle of browsing the web. I tried fixing this but to no avail….

  • Michael

    I don't generally think of expose the same way I think of the taskbar. It reminds me more of Flip 3D than anything (where else would Microsoft get the idea, haha). It's nice, don't get me wrong, but it takes a lot more effort to find out what's what than just reading the taskbar.

  • Adam Fisher-Cox

    Sure, with only a few Windows open, but for managing more than 3 windows, Expose is crazily better.

  • Nick

    i really don't understand how no-one else has realised that command-c and command-v copy and paste in finder just as easily as windows ctrl-c and ctrl-v. it's almost exactly the same, yet no-one here has found that??
    and force-quitting is almost impossible windows – you can click and click and click and it just won't quit :(
    however i do prefer the customability and wider range of products/games available for windows

  • Adam Fisher-Cox

    Nick — Not sure what you are talking about. If you are referring to the cut and paste in finder thing, then you'll notice I'm talking about the lack of a CUT feature Specifically in the Finder. I'm well aware of command C and command V.

  • kedarhal

    Everyone needs to chill about this Mac and PC/Windows debate. They both pretty much do the same thing, but sometimes they do it in slightly different ways.

    One can highlight the benefits of a Mac and deride PCs or Windows, and others will do the opposite. Howver, at the end of the day, browsing the internet, opening/deleting applications, media, pictures, editing, music, usb in/out, and games can be done on both systems. however, if you love a Mac, you are going to be more forgiving when it crashes and when you can't play a game on it, but if you love windows, then you will be less likely to feel the few seconds it takes to boot up or shut down.

    In the grand scheme of things, it makes absolutely no difference.

  • Keith Adamson

    My 2 pet hates are:

    1. 'Save As' Default location is .. the last place you did a 'Save As' to. That's silly. If I open a letter to my bank manager dated last week – and save it as a new letter (today), I don't want it save under 'car maintenance'!!

    2. 'Print' dialog doesn't include page size. I have to go to 'Page Setup'. Then I go to print preview – and, oh dear, I got the paper size wrong – so then I have to back to page setup – and so on! What a pain!


    Here is the story:

    Windows users are happy and comfortable with Windows.

    OS X users really love their operating system.

    OS X user take every chance to show off their features, in a way how a big dog loves to lick his thing in front of everybody else.

    Windows users love to defend it like a guy who is defending his 4" thing, which he makes into 8" by adding 3rd party apps.

    So please move on.

  • fireprog

    I prefer Linux over windows and Windows over mac, I must admit that linux currently isn't "for everyone" because of the pretty difficult configuration for beginners. Btw: I use opensuse and windows xp in dual boot :) (don't really like vista)

  • David

    @2) USB Drives Can’t Simply Be Unplugged

    Well, they shouldn't be on Windows either, that's what the Safely Remove Hardware is for. Windows just doesn't yell at you if you don't eject disks first. So, you can just unplug from the Mac, you'll just make OS X mad at you though.

    @3) No Cut and Paste in the Finder

    All I have to say is I agree completely.

    @5) Empty Trash is Severely Crippled

    Windows occasionally did the same exact thing … On OS X, you can use Secure Empty Trash to override this issue. On Windows, you'll have to either reboot, del from the Command Prompt, or use a utility like MoveOnBoot.

    @1) Ability To Install Almost Any Software

    Microsoft goes out of their way to make sure that Windows is backward compatible… way way back. Things for 98 should still run on Vista. This is one reason Windows is considered bloated… Rumor has it this will changed in Windows 7

    @4) Easy Force Quit

    Technically, it takes three [four] clicks in Windows also. (ctrl-alt-del, click on the program/process, del, and confirm)

    And I agree with 'love Windows' #5 … why won't Finder do that?

  • georgeK

    The reason I hate macs is shown here:

  • Adam






    little annoyances? maybe. but they are annoyances and so far, I haven't had anything on mac that is easier

  • Adam Fisher-Cox

    Adam, I can't speak for Quicken, but all of your other problems are just you not taking the time to learn the basics of the Mac OS.

    Safari and Firefox will automatically add the www. and .com to the address. You don't even need to use CTRL/Enter.

    Ctrl Alt Delete on the Mac is Cmd-Opt-Esc. Also, the Activity Monitor (Applications > Utilities > Activity Monitor) Is a great Task Manager.

    And you absolutely can backspace… have you ever tried pushing the button labeled "Delete"? It does the exact same thing as the backspace key. And fn-backspace does Forward Delete on smaller keyboards.

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  • flametorrent

    I hate how everyone says they use Mac's because they don't have viruses. They brag that they don't have viruses, but you know what.. maybe it's because hackers thought that a Mac is its own virus! Lol, it's nice that you can switch into other OS's using a virtual machine, but any OS can do that. Macs annoying "double click" and the app runs away, it's lack of software (which was already stated above), and it's "forced boot properties", AND lack of hardware support, is annoying. Way more so than Vista in terms of laptops. I customize all my stuff. I hate having to beg my computer to change something when I am the end user.

    Triple Booter – Fokx [!]

  • Connor Bevans

    No, not any machine can run Mac, unless emulation EFI which required some code and you can't run both at the same time. I don't understand your "double click" point. Adam didn't mention lack of software, just a lack of support for older things which were made for PowerPC Macs. And lastly; Lack of hardware support? I've been using Macs for over a year and haven't found ANYTHING which didn't work on Mac. I don't object to using a PC in an office, but I edit in Final Cut, manage photos in Aperture, and get email in Mail, so really it doesn't make any sense to switch, no matter how much you hate and flame in your fanboy-dom.

  • Flameturret64

    Ohh yeahh, I see. xP

    I'm so used to double clicking to maximize an application, and I usually multi-task a lot, so I use the entire screen for every program I run. I like all OS's, I don't really have a huge problem with every one. Every OS has it's own problem I think. Oh, and what I meant by hardware support is that you can install Windows or Linux on any machine, because they take up a majority of units. Gah I dunno though. I heard about this thing called iAtkos, which can run on any machine, but it's a tapped Mac isn't it? And they say it's dangerous to run. I wanted to experiment on a Mac just to get used to it, 'cause a lot of people use it here and I would like to help them with their problems as well.

    However.. it doesn't install on my machine. I'm not willing to install it virtually. *sigh*

    Windows is fun to mess around with. It's applications and it's experimental open source bugs are a good teaching ground on what not to do.Mainly, I use Linux for finishing my reports. Specially when you start learning your way around the terminal.

    Anyways though, gah enough about what I do xD

    I still think MAC users shouldn't rely on their "no virus" speech. Just like how Mac users get angry when you call it a "Mac OS X" instead of "Mac OS Ten", right? And those Linux fan-boys and Windows know it all's. I think every OS brings it's own personality to the field. Yes yes, that's what me thinks, yo. :]

    -Fokx [!]

  • oftro

    I use windows xp, vista and mac osx. All work great for me, but it's true that there are a bunch of things I don't like about each o.s. I can live with all of them and occassionally employ a workaround to get me where I need to be. I just don't like 1 thing with the mac… the fanboys.

  • vince

    1) USB Devices Always Wake the Computer – that's really annoying!

    2) USB Drives Can’t Simply Be Unplugged – the alert is annoying but i guess it's good to eject first even on windows

    3) No Cut and Paste in the Finder – hold command can do drag and drop. but it would be nice if they add cut and paste to finder too! it's really useful

    4) No Universal Uninstaller – uninstall by dragging to trash isn't that good too. i would like a universal uninstaller

    5) Empty Trash is Severely Crippled – both windows and mac have this problem too. another problem for leopard is trash can not restore files to where it was. it is pretty dumb!

    1) Ability To Install Almost Any Software – yes i hope Microsoft will keep this on windows 7 too! that was pain on OSX.

    2) Maximize Done Right – apple should add an extra item for mode changing or etc.

    3) Access to the Innards – i don't think there is any advantage on windows for it. that's just let virus do more harm. for tinkerers you can always enable root account for the purpose.

    4) Easy Force Quit – i can't see any advantage on windows. command-option-esc and force quit is much easier than on windows.

    5) Settings are Remembered – it works fine on 10.5.6

    basically i prefer to work on leopard since it seems more stable for me, play games on XP as i have no choice!

  • marshal7801

    i understand how much u hated mac~ but pls calm down and look at the positive side of Mac~
    u'll definitely love it~

    I used to be a windows user and i'm completely fed up with it, the slow performance and all the viruses are annoying me~ the anti-virus scans every files and webpages i opened, and automatically slows down my PC's operation. As I liked to do some photo editing by using Photoshop, i had to wait for it to load everytime i create any graphical effects, but in Mac, it is done in only less then a sec~

    Mac does has superb performance and has lesser virus attacks. Thats what i like about Mac. It is user friendly too.

    unplugging USB devices – it will wake your Mac, but y not put it back to sleep again by pressing command+option+eject (or do it manually)?? this process wont take you a long time. Besides, if u unplug any USB devices without ejecting it first, your data might be lost because the generic volume is still running. Mac did a good job for this.

    The "end task" issue – In Mac, you can force quit any apps by pressing command+option+esc (or manually by clicking the apple logo at the menu bar)~ If i force quit any apps in my mac, it will definitely quit. Unlike windows, it still hangs there and always asks me to send the stupid error report although i've force quit it for billion of times!!! (i dont think microsoft will amend this problem even though the whole world send the error report to them, because they cant even fix it)

    The maximize button – in windows its true that u can maximize the window in mac it only maximize till the edge of the folder, document or webpage…. know y?? If you maximize till the fullest full screen, don't you think it wastes spaces?? as you can see empty spaces at the side.

    Well, the rest (cut and paste, etc)….I have to agree with u~

    Maybe your not used to Mac yet~

  • Suzie

    Having just had a mac inflicted on me in a new job I was ready to through it out the window in under a week. There are numerous things about it that drove me insane. People's answer to 'How do I do this..?' was generally 'Why would you want to do that?'.

    My main gripe is that I *need* a taskbar, I need to see every window I have open and switch between them in a click. That's just how I work. I was starting an email on the mac, then the window would be hidden, and I would have no way of knowing it was still there, so I'd start the same email again, and again. Or worse, forget to send it entirely.

    The fact that in order to get my windows task bar the way I want it I have to go to 'start' > 'settings' > 'taskbar and start menu' > untick 'group similar taskbar items' is rubbish. But the fact that I can do that saves me hours every month.

  • Adam Fisher-Cox

    You just haven't figures out all the Mac's tricks. Hit F9 (or F3 on newer macs) to see your windows tile before you. Way better than the cluttered taskbar.

  • Adam Fisher-Cox

    You just havent' learned all of the Mac's tricks. Hit F9 or F3 on newer Macs and watch your windows tile. Much better than the cluttered taskbar.

  • Adam Fisher-Cox

    Oops. It appears that the site *is* accepting comments even though I'm getting an error to the contrary.

  • marshal7801

    Re : Having just had a mac inflicted on me in a new job I was ready to through it out the window in under a week. There are numerous things about it that drove me insane. People’s answer to ‘How do I do this..?’ was generally ‘Why would you want to do that?’.

    My main gripe is that I *need* a taskbar, I need to see every window I have open and switch between them in a click. That’s just how I work. I was starting an email on the mac, then the window would be hidden, and I would have no way of knowing it was still there, so I’d start the same email again, and again. Or worse, forget to send it entirely.

    The fact that in order to get my windows task bar the way I want it I have to go to ‘start’ > ‘settings’ > ‘taskbar and start menu’ > untick ‘group similar taskbar items’ is rubbish. But the fact that I can do that saves me hours every month.
    Answer : Expose~ Remember?? What Adam Fisher-Cox said was right. On new keyboards, just hit f3, or f9 at the older keyboard (you can set any key u like). If u still need a task bar, hit option+command+esc works great for force quit too) or command+tab~ it will show u all the apps running currently~

  • tom

    THe part about windows being able to run more software – its windows fault, apple wants to make an omniplatofrm but windows refuses. BEsides its only because there are more pc than macs that people make the software pc compatible

  • Adam Fisher-Cox

    Read again, not talking about more software, I'm talking about age of software. The Mac has far better software as far as I'm concerned.

  • zan

    hey…maybe you should rewrite this!!!!

    1. hey…I guess your right in this
    2.yes they can
    3.yes there is
    4.aiai, now you have to turn to a 3rd party…just like a pc
    5.indeed right again…after rebooting you can empty trash. or you use unix…it's with text, like dos!

    1.this is because windows is STILL waiting for a decent update and the whole world is depending on this crap.
    2.this is about mac(?) can also do this on the mac. Unluckily on the pc it's done 'just like that'. that's why pcPeople's pc's don't work 50% of the time
    4.ctrl-alt-escape is force quit on the mac and works even better than pc
    5.same on the mac

    Macintosh is too expensive!!! I have to admit.
    and peecees are not bad, it's windows

    mac has SteveJobs
    windows has Steve Balmer

  • zan

    the following link is the only serious comment i found so far.

    a mac user

  • Mark

    Gee. If only there were some operating system that combined the power of windows with the slickness of OS X:

    1) Not sure about this one
    2) GNU/Linux doen't do this
    3) GNU/Linux can do this
    4) GNU/Liunx –> Add/Remove Programs (solves this problem and then some)
    5) All operating systems work that way

    1) GNU/Linux –> The list of free software is tremendous, plus wine isn't too shabby as a windows emulator for those who don't embrace the open source movement
    2) Never noticed a problem
    3) This one's just a no brainer – you even have access to the source code of the kernel, something microsoft would NEVER allow. Actually window's ability to edit system files as a non-privileged user is one of its biggest drawbacks. It's a security nightmare. GNU/Linux has "sudo" command for when you really need to change sys files etc
    4) "kill" has never not worked the first time since I've been using GNU/Linux
    5) Not sure how gnome handles this. Although, since it's open source, you could just make it work this way.

  • Mitch

    In Windows I Love:

    1. How I get to enter Wi-Fi passwords twice before I can log on to a Wi-Fi network (I especially love this for 26 character long Hexadecimal passwords).

    2. the Paperclip

    3. How long it takes to get onto a network after plugging in an ethernet cable

    4. Being asked If I would like to see the many advantages of Windows Genuine Advantage

    5. How great system wide search is (XP)

    6. How many viruses and spyware are Windows compatible

    7. How many cool versions of Vista there are – I like lots of choices

    8. Just about anything with a wizard involved

    9. How my system slows down over time

    10. Long boot and shut down times

  • Keith Adamson

    Yeah. I hear you.
    Last week, just as I was about to leave work, my MAC announced that it had lost connection with the mouse. No amount of mouse waving, clicking or battery changing could re-establish the connection. All I wanted to do was close down my programs. But without the mouse, what keyboard commands could I use? Managed to Apple-Q out of some, but the others just stubbornly sat there. In the end – I just had to switch off, and hope that Auto-Recover would work next day. Nightmare!

  • Devin

    things i love about mac

    1. they dont have as many virus's as windows, only because until the last couple of years they have not been as popular as they are now so it wasnt worth a hackers time to create a virus for a mac. (but they do have virus's now and "corrupted files")

    2. their tech supports always suggest a new "mac" product thet you should purchase

    3. they are a PC! they use intel motherboards, intel processors, ati graphics, and toshiba hdd

    4. how expensive they are, it makes you feel like shit when you dont get out of it what you paid for it.

    5 the small amount of programs they are compatible with, it makes you feel like you are in some special class of people.

    6. how they have so many different versions of the same os. (10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6) but unlike the many versions that windows has and the new os's that windows come out with, there is no discount to just upgrade you system, you have to pay the full price.

    7. the generation of mac people that think that they are somehow better than pc users because they use a mac but cant come up with a single legitimate reason beyond what the stupid hi im a mac, hi im a pc commercials tell them. most of the things they say on those commercials are either rumors or are some things that mac have too, but mac just uses a different name. apple will only let their os be ran on a mac, and bitch and moan every time someone wants to run it on something else. windows is absolutely fine with there os being ran on a mac or home built machine.

    and just to settle down the angered mac people, im 19 and running os 10.4,10.5, xp, vista, and linux ubuntu on my computer so i get to use what ever one i want and have use them all a lot.

  • Adam Fisher-Cox

    I'm not even going to bother knocking your "points" down one by one, but as you clearly evidence, just because you run every operating system known to man doesn't mean you know anything about them :/

  • Carl

    So many of these complaints in both directions are signs that users are clueless about the environment they are working in or don't want to learn. Just because you know the shortcut to a trick on one platform but do not on another somehow makes the os inferior. Again, maybe it's the user? I use many OS environments, but I'm super happy that the adamant WinTel don't want to move to Macs. Wait, why again am I reading this post?

  • DragonLadyK

    HELL YEAH. I had to Google how to eject a cd on the Mac at work (Go to the disk utility, file –> eject). On a PC? Just push the button — a monkey could figure it out, it looks just like your DVD player. I also miss my PC right-click functionality on the work Mac. And ctrl+alt+delete. And the way my PC doesn't argue with me, telling me I don't have privileges or what not. It just does what it's frigging told.

    Give me an anti-viral program and my PC any day.

  • Keith Adamson

    Here's another annoying trait. Just about to log off and go home when my MAC says 'lost connection with the mouse'.

    So? No amount of clicking, waving, battery changing etc. helps.

    So – what keyboard commands can I use to log out?

    Apple-F, Apple-X? Forget it. Nothing else for it. Switch off, go home, hope for the best!

  • Adam Fisher-Cox

    There's an eject button on the keyboard, you can drag a disk to the trash, there's an eject icon next to disks in the finder, etc. All easier than using disk utility.

    Macs have a right click same as windows, the difference is that it's not necessary -no unique commands should be hidden there.

  • Keith Adamson

    And here's another thing:

    Dialogue boxes are terribly inconsistent. Sometimes the only way to close them is by clicking on the so-small-it's-almost-invisible red cross. What happened to 'Cancel' / 'Close' / 'Exit' / 'OK' ??

    Sometimes there's no way to close them at all! Right now I've got a dialogue box that says "No Image Capture device connected" that's going to be with me all day until I reboot.

  • Keith Adamson

    And still more.

    I needed to do a screen capture. Eventually found 'Grab'. But the window I wanted to get a shot of disappeared every time I selected 'Grab'. Seems to defeat the object.

    Finally settled for a screenshot of another window. Grab saved it a .TIFF. The program I was posting to needs a .JPG or a .PNG – but Grab doesn't provide these options.

    This is just too much like hard work.

  • Max Becher

    Maybe this was already mentioned, but the finder in OS9 was so much better, simpler, intuitive. At that time I was using Windows and Mac simultaneously, Windows was a nightmare by comparison (and ugly, too). But then with OS10 the Mac started to feel more like Windows and Unix (maybe because it is Unix). I know that on a deeper root level, there are great improvements. My Mac now crashes maybe once every 4 months and never gets viruses. It used to get viruses and crash daily. But, by now the Windows file management system is much better. It has caught up and superseded, and the Mac finder has gotten worse.

    Some things I despise with the current Mac finder:
    1. When you open a window in list view, there's an amazing amount of blank space between the columns. It never seems to intuit that I want to see as much data as possible. The file name column is given like several horizontal inches and I have to manually drag over the other tabs. Does anyone know how to fix that – please let me know.

    2. File windows never seem to remember that I'd like to "Calculate all sizes". I ALWAYS want that turned on, but it keeps shutting it off. With command-j you can customize the window. It has a button that says make default, but default for what? Just that window, or all windows? And it doesn't make it a default anyway.

    3. When I do a "Find", I never really know in what volumes it's looking. I'd like to restrict finding stuff to just one volume or window. Sometimes it seems to do that, but it's not intuitive. Also, the searches are not complete. It seems to be restricted to certain kinds of directories, ignoring others.

    4. When I do a "Find" looking for large files to delete, I don't get a listing of the sizes. In earlier versions of the finder I could see and sort by size. No more. Why not? Getting rid of oversize or duplicate files is a very important and common task. Why isn't it a lot smoother? There should be a built in function called find duplicate files, which would include duplicate file names with and without the same data. I know there are third party apps which do that, but it should just be built in.

    5. The "Library" files are amazingly annoying, because there are many of them. And they repeat folders for each application. It used to be the other way round. Every plug-in or related file for an application was in that application's folder. If something malfunctioned, you just replaced that bad file (or the whole folder) with a backup and everything was fixed. Now you have to get into some obscurely named directory (which has that lovely DOS or Unix poetry) and delete files.

    6. I totally agree about the maximize button. It's completely inconsistent. It used to work very well; it should just toggle between maximum and custom in every app.

    7. And, yes, way too much blank real estate on the windows. From a design perspective it gives an airy feel which is visually more ergonomic, but if you just want the data it wastes a lot of time and space.

    8. There shouldn't be a difference between "in-application" finder windows and desktop finder windows. It should be one interface. There used to be a little plug-in that let you click anywhere on screen while you were in an application finder window and it would list that directory. That should be built in. You should also be able to rename existing files from within and application finder window.

  • jan

    Can anyone tell me how I can go to the top bar only using the keyboard. If for instance I wanted to go to 'file' in Windows I would do alt+f. I find it impossible to remember all short cuts in OSX and to make my own for those that don't exist is just too tedious.

  • Connor Bevans

    Agrees: Mac-1,3,4,5 PC-1
    Reasons – Mac-2: Sherb already said it. PC-2:I find it kind of helps, considering generally I want my maximize button to scale it up/down by a large amount. 3: While it IS easier in windows, it's not like you can't do it in mac without problems 4: cmd+opt+esc and use up/down then enter to force quit (though Activity Monitor really should be combined). 5:Apparently there must be something different about your mac, because mine remembers where my finder windows are.

  • dp

    Why can't I just click on a file and hit the Delete key to delete it?? What part of "delete" do Macs not understand!

  • Natas

    Personally, I dislike Macs to the fullest extent.
    I would rather have options than a shell that I can't open without voiding my warranty
    @Chris: Go To Process -> End Process = Win.

    Windows definitely has tons of viruses that you CAN avoid if you know what you are doing, it is sad, really, when Macs don't even get NEGATIVE attention.
    I find that argument weak and really doesn't get a point across.
    If you know your stuff about computers, you can survive on a PC without having to reinstall the OS or anything like that.
    My PC is in top shape because I know how to take care of it.
    Macs, on the other hand, are very annoying.
    Sure, they may be watered down versions of the PC, easier to understand, but it's the 9th year of the 21st century, if you don't know that much about PCs now then you have been living under a rock.
    In life, I would rather have options instead of having to buy a new Mac everything they release an upgrade.

  • Robert

    Have always used a PC and had no problems with it, worked great. Been using a MAC part time at a friend's house for about 6 months, they have had one for years, thought maybe I might buy one. I am sticking with my PC, faster, more efficient and it runs all the apps I need without having to jump thorugh hoops to get it done. I think that a MAC is fine if you only need to do certain things, gaming is pracitcally non-existant, ipod & itunes is not impressive, PC's can handle graphics just as well as the MAC they do desktop publishing every bit as well as a MAC and bottom line is that I just went and bought a new PC for $600 with everything on it under Windows 7 that I could ever want and it runs all my old programs just fine. You can keep you expensive, flashy MAC it has limited abilities compared to my workhorse PC.

  • HelloSunshine

    I just started a new job and the head of the company is a die hard Mac fan. I'm adjusting to most things fine and completely agree for most things it's a matter of preference. However, my job entails complexed financial modeling in Excel and formating in PowerPoint and Word and I'm basically ready to give up trying to be efficient at my job. My first and biggest gripe is there is not way to access the menu bar with the "alt" key. I know must commonly used commands have shortcuts but when you work with massive amounts of data I need to be able to access the drop down menus quickly with my keyboard. I understand you can access it with Command + F2 but that's just awkward and takes almost as long as finding my mouse. I actually timed myself, to Copy, Paste Special, Format across a row takes me less than 1 second on my PC (alt e, s, f). On my mac it took me 5 seconds because I had to use the mouse. Again, I know some of you are going to say I can customize shortcuts but there are other menu options that I don't use often but still can use my keyboard to get to (for example all options have an underlined letter on PCs that can be selected/accessed just by typing the letter). Another pet peeve is in PowerPoint I can't easily switch to slide sorter view by just typing alt v, d. I don't know if this is a Microsoft problem or a Mac problem but I've come to the conclusion that if you are a point and click, just use your computer at home for net surfing, then the Mac is perfect. If you need to use MS Office to do some heavy lifting, you're better off with a PC.

  • Nafen

    My top 10 mac peeves:

    1: It's so damn simple. Where's the challenge in right clicking on the dock icon of an unresponsive app to force quit? No 3-modifier-key code to open a fullscreen menu asking me what I want to do when I just want to get to the task manager like in XP?

    2: I love a cluttered desktop. Who doesn't like having shortcuts for every single installed app on your computer automatically placed on your desktop?

    3: It pains me to drag applications to the trash. I'd much rather navigate to the control panel and wait 5 minutes for the applications list to be "Populated" and then have to use an uninstall wizard. Complexity FTW!

    4: I despise how easy wireless file sharing is with a Mac. If I want you to share my stuff, we'd both better work our butts off to get it across.

    5: I'm a fan of dragging windows around and minimizing to get to the window I want. Expose? Not for me baby. Simplicity can suck my USB stick.

    6: Virtual desktops for organizing my windows? Wow. That's absurd. You built that feature in, Apple? Well thats a removable dock icon and a whopping 404 kilobytes of disk space I won't be able to cope with.

    7: I won't be able to run my old windows viruses on my new Mac? That's a ripoff. Every computer should be compatible with the Conflicker-C virus. I love me some Conflicker-C virus.

    8: I want to pay for my photo editor, video editor, website builder, music production suite, and backup creation software. The idea of pre-installed screen sharing software makes me sick. A functional, internet-syncing calendar and address book would be a foolish thing to pre-install on a computer. I want to download iTunes to sync my iPod, not have it pre-installed. I want to hunt down software updates with my web-browser, not have them listed in Software Updates. I want to launch an application to view my media, not preview it by pressing the spacebar. I despise being able to format and partition my external hard drives without installing third-party software. I certainly do not want a directory of free and inexpensive software at I do not want to have spell check in a free text editor like in TextEdit, I want the primitive WordPad. I want to pay/download for all these essentials after I buy my computer, not have them included in the cost of/pre-installed with my computer!

    9: What the heck with the simplistic design? I do not want people to ask to touch my laptop! I want it to have sharp edges and a cheap plastic case. I can't stand those smooth rounded edges and aluminum body.

    10: I love having a crappy unreliable sleep feature. COMPLEXITY FTW!!!

  • Keith Adamson

    Hey – it's easy to clutter up your desktop on a MAC. All you have to do is download a few items off the internet and save a few documents to your desktop when MAC refuses to save to the network because of some stupid permissions error. MAC will splash them randomly all over the place. You can play 'hunt the latest document – it must be here somewhere'

    I have to give my desktop a regular clean-up so I can see the wood for the trees, whereas my PC only needs an annual review.

    And I'm pleased to note you're greatful for your MS Photo-viewer, because PREVIEW is truly crap. Of course I could always download Picasa from Google – oh, but, hey – it doesn't run on a MAC.

  • danyel

    i would just say if you have problems with windows is cuz put so much crap on it and don't know how to maintain your pc i had a midrange pc for 4 years now and it runs as fast as the day i bought it

  • macIScrap

    SUDO RM -RF /

    in mac's command prompt

  • Frank

    Do you know one thing I absolutely hate about the Mac (or really just Mac users)? The belief that the Mac is "soo much simpler to use than Windows" That is complete bull!! I have only tinkered with a Mac so I am certainly no expert and please do not start a thread attempting to argue with me because I simply don't give a crap. However, for the hour or so where I have used a Mac I find it to be alot more difficult to use and I think that the Desktop is absolutely ugly with the Dock on the bottom and your links on the top. This is obviously a preference but none the less, I think it looks stupid. Here's my story however. About 10 years ago when I first began to use computers I literally could not even properly use a mouse…seriously. My brother in law built my 1st computer which was an old pre Pentium 486 computer. Installed on this computer was a copy of Windows 95 and about 16MB of Ram. Now remember, at this time I certainly did not know a thing about computers except for the fact that I wanted one. Long story short, I learned how to use a Windows in an afternoon and a short evening (probably around 6 hours or so). I turned on the computer, clicked on the Start menu and saw all of my programs (or rather what was pre-installed with Windows). I played with the new programs, went through the Control panel and just fiddled around with absolutely everything. By the time I spoke with my Wife that evening I had literally learned more in that short period of time than what my Wife new about computers in the several years that she had been using them in her office at work (this is the first time that we actually owned one in our home). So, in short (sorry, I already said that) but I found that Windows was so intuitive and easy to use and yes I still use Windows to this day. I am in no way saying that Windows is perfect (Microsoft really does need to concentrate more on Windows security) but otherwise, a very nice operating system that I have always found "VERY EASY TO USE"

  • Craig

    I work in IT, and see both systems every day, and know the problems they have inside and out, and my conclusion is FUCK MACS!

    1. The Windows platform is one based in common sense. If you put any retard in front of a Windows computer and say do ____ (fill in the blank with task of your choice) they can with very little brain power. I don’t want me or any of the users on my network to use a computer that takes the basics of computing and throws them out the window just to be different. THE RED X SHOULD MEAN CLOSE PROGRAM NOT CLOSE WINDOW, and that by the way, is why your Mac slows down as you use it. You have 75 programs running at once because you didn’t know to go to file and press quit when you were done instead of pressing the red x! It’s fucking stupid, THE RED X SHOULD MEAN CLOSE THE FUCKING PROGRAM!!!

    2. Windows computers are able to install 99.9% of all software on the market and if they can’t, then there is a patch or converter or compatibility packet out there that can help. Macs require too much special software and hardware. Every time you buy or download software you need to find the special version of it because you were stupid in the first place and bought a Mac. I want things to just be simple and for all computers on my network to be 100% compatible with the real world, not the fantasy Mac world.

    3. I will admit however that Windows computers, especially the failed vista OS, are more prone to viruses, but this does not mean that Macs have the advantage on the issue.

    a. Macs do get viruses, there are just fewer of them out there because Windows is the more common OS, also the number of Mac viruses out there have grown in the past so in the future there will probably be just as many Mac viruses as there are Windows viruses. And further more when a Mac gets a virus, they are a bitch and a half to remove and not many people can do it, so you will need to take your Mac to the apple store to shove out some big bucks to have it removed by some Mac dushbag, at least any Joe shmo computer geek can remove a Windows virus.

    b. A properly secured Windows computer can be 100% virus free if you just take the time to install antivirus and stop downloading porn with limewire. Remember most viruses come from not having antivirus/up to date antivirus, downloading sketchy content from limewire, or visiting sketchy porn sites. Basically if you download antivirus (AVG offers one for free) and keep it up to date, then you will be fine, no need to go pay an outrageous sum of money for a Mac just because you are afraid of viruses because you are too stupid to download a free program, which brings me to my next point.

    4. MACS ARE TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE TO BUY AND OWN. Why would you spend 2 grand for a computer with moderate processing power that requires special expensive software and can only be repaired at the ridiculously expensive apple store, when you could spend less than half the money on a computer that does all the same things, has twice the processing power, will last just as long, and can be repaired for little or no money when it breaks (all computers break even Macs). When a Mac needs a new hard drive or a new screen, and I see it every day, the owner has to take to the apple store and pay to have the same Mac dushbag who removed you virus replace your hard drive for a small fortune. This is because when Macs fuckup they fuckup hard core, there is no logical way to find and correct the issue, it is hit or miss so only Mac trained experts who work at the apple store can fix them and they do that on purpose because they love you money, and while you’re there you can by some more of that special expensive software you need for your Mac because only they offer it. If your Windows computer needs a hard drive, you pay $30 for one from new egg, and you can install it yourself it you want or get your computer geek friend to do it for you (we all know at least one) and reinstall from backup (and we should all have a backups especially if you have a Mac because they like to randomly delete you files). So you could spend hundreds for a Mac Hard drive replacement or $30 for a windows hard drive replacement. That is not a hard choice there.

    If you disagree with what I said here, then take a rotten apple and shove it up your ass because your Mac computer makes my life difficult because you don’t know how to use their complicated OS and ask me for help every fucking day with stupid shit that would be simple if you had just bought a Windows computer. And when you done with that apple, check the time because you are probably late for your PETA meeting, and the only reason you bought a Mac in the first place is because you're probably some dumb ass college freshman girl who was jealous of her roommates Mac because you thought it was cute and asked mommy and daddy to get you one too.

  • Nafen

    Yeah, Mr. IT Professional Craig should be mature enough to calm down with the profanity. I understand that no operating system is perfect, and hence it is not worth getting worked up over. It's not like defending the honor of your girlfriend, Craig, unless you plan to date Bill Gates, which wouldn't surprise me in your case. And in all the time I've used Macs, I have had about 1/10 of the trouble i had with windows machines. I still have my issues, but after using Windows for so long, Mac OS is a breath of fresh air. I have to install some piece of hardware on a Windows machine every once in a while just to remind myself I'm not a trained IT Professional, but never mind that, you're not making it look too impressive now are you? When you graduate high school English and quit it with the run-ons and wacky porn accusations, then we'll talk. And that porn/LimeWire stuff sounds like experience talking… Would you like to share some more advice on reliable porn sites and your infinite and indisputable knowledge as an IT Pro? Thanks for cluttering valuable internet server space with crap, you guys. I appreciate it. And maclscrap: You sir are a certifiable idiot. You can be banned from the forum for pulling that crap. And Macs don't have a crappy command prompt with some weird language, they use the Terminal, and an established UNIX tongue.

    If you can't exert the effort to learn something new, your wasting us humans' air.

  • Mat

    what i find annoying about the mac ist hat the macintosh hd doesn't automatically come on the desktop.
    like the firs ttime i used a mac, it was on the desktop, and when i got mine, i had to tinker for about half an hour to be able to get it on the desktop…

  • Eddyq

    People say Windows stole its ideas from Mac. Well maybe they did … but an indisputable fact is that Windows made things an order of magnitude easier than Mac.

    Apple should get on the stick and copy Microsoft.

  • Mikie

    What I like about Macs and dislike about PCs

    You can't boot a PC from a USB drive.
    You can't totally clone a PC's HDD and use it as a portable boot drive.
    You can't run both OS X and Win7 on a PC in coherence.

    I could go on….

  • Mikie

    I read all these comments it comes to my mind tht the biggest problem is: STUPID USER.

    All of the things I see people complaining about are a result of how the machine is set up. Like "No right click" Two fingers on the touch pad equals right click. BUT you have to actually be able to think, read and set up the machine the way you want.

    Mac are far more capable than PCs but if you've spent your life brain washed by Microsoft the switch is difficult for some.

  • Kevin

    No OS is perfect. All computer will fail eventually, let it be windows, mac, linux.

    Those stupid commercial is what made me hate apple, but I don't hate mac.
    some stupid stuff from those commercials…
    -Mac never freeze
    Lol are you kidding me, that pinwheel have been spin for hours.
    -wWndow is for work
    I only use mac for work
    -Viruses!!! z0mg laz3r t4g lmao my lawl much gg
    Nope I havent got a virus for… well for as long as I have been using window 7. about 8 months ( doesn't mean there aren't no virsus on window 7, just that I'm not stupid enough to get any)
    -Error and restart window
    Atleast I know what is wrong, the mac just freeze and I have to force shutdown and pretend nothing happen, because everybody know the mac don't feeze…
    -Window get old and become useless, where as all mac are awesome
    I don't think I want to wait 5min for my mac os7 to start up.
    -Mac can do ever thing window can do. And run window.
    If you're going to run window, why not just get a pc save the money and the retardism

    The only reason I don't like mac
    Overprice. I much rather buy a gaming pc and have enough to get a new ipod.

  • Dana

    Are you insane PC's suck clearly you don't have one because i have had one all my life and am saving up for a mac. Thery are the worst computers ever thats why they are so cheep comparitvily to MAC. Also the fact that you computer wont stay off while you take out a USB doesn't seem like a huge problem to me that sounds like a problem someone who has a great computer can find but trust me that is not a problem that is a minor inconvince. so here my 5 Reasons for loving MAC and hating PC (p.s. the way i know about MAC software is from using my sisters and the computers and lap tops at school)
    Why I Love Mac
    1. They Are Fast: Macs are like ten times faster then PC's especiallly if you are looking at any mac made in the last 6 years
    2.They are easy to use: I figured out as a first grader how to affectivley use a mac computer while being in computer class (Im not just talking about what the teacher taught i figured most of it out on my own) and to compare to PC i have used 3 computers in the last 13 years and I have never completely figured out any of them
    3. They have really awesome games: I no it is childishto compare but the standard games that come one mac are way better then the ones on PC If you dont believe you can check out the games at
    4.Videos run well: Videos from places like youtube dont give you the sign for loading because they instantly load at the began at the pace they are suppposed to
    5. The laptops are all the have wireless internet which means that you wont loose internet connection every five seconds and the desktops have minium cables and i have never had any issues with iternet on any mac i have ever used
    Why I hate PCs
    1. They are so slow
    2. The internet looses connection every 5 seconds
    3. They are so complicated and hard to figure out
    4.It looses documents that have been properly saved
    5. It screwed up my itunes that and lost me about $20+ of tv episodes and trust me it wasn't the itunes software it was definetly the computer

  • Sherb

    "Why do I have to eject the drive first? I don’t on Windows…" – uhh you don't, but you should. OS X just notifies you… go ahead and yank all you want. Some people find the message useful.

  • Nikon120

    @ Dana:
    "Why I hate PCs
    1. They are so slow
    2. The internet looses connection every 5 seconds
    3. They are so complicated and hard to figure out
    4.It looses documents that have been properly saved
    5. It screwed up my itunes that and lost me about $20+ of tv episodes and trust me it wasn’t the itunes software it was definetly the computer"

    1. Any machine can be slow.
    1a. Software — It's how the user maintains the system that determines the speed.
    1b. Hardware — Obviously out dated hardware is an issue for any OS. It all depends on the required resources the OS in question demands.
    (NOTE: Take a look at small linux distro's [DamnSmallLinux], they run awesome on older hardware because they need fewer resources.)

    2. I'm not certain how this is a valid point. It appears that you may have had an issue with your particular machine. (Possibly hardware or driver malfunction)

    3. Well if you read through the current 4 pages of comments/rants, people on both sides complain about OS complexity. It boils down to which environment do you feel most comfortable.

    4. I read in an above comment that OS X has done this also. I personally haven't experienced a missing file in my 20+ years of using a PC. If I thought a file was missing it was 100% of the time due to my action, whether deliberate or not.

    5. For any experienced PC user, it is well known that iTunes is rather bloated. This software was originally designed for the Mac environment, and the port to Windows is just cluttered. There are plenty of alternative choices to iTunes that work fine with iPods on PC, but again it goes to user preference. The only immediate loss would be the iTunes Store integration.

    ** It's always funny to read fanaticism from either end of the Windows vs. Mac argument. **


    I primarily use Windows 7 and an Ubuntu virtual machine on my work laptop. I have played on OS X a few times and have enjoyed it.

    My cons to OS X:
    1. Price for a Mac desktop/laptop
    2. I would have to bring the system to a 'Genius Bar' to get serviced, otherwise void the warranty.
    3. Lack of choices for hardware.
    4. There are still some applications out there, personal and work related that aren't ported to Mac. This would cause me to run Windows in VM or bootcamp and not warrant the price tag of the Mac.

    My pros for OS X:
    1. Terminal — I'm a huge fan of BASH in linux and the same in OS X. If you are savvy enough to utilize the terminal, you will grow to love it.
    2. Adium! — Windows users can claim Digsby is a decent alternative, but it is after all a clone of Adium. (Sans the central id server digsby provides)
    3. TextMate! — If you're a programmer, on OS X and don't have this… You must be an emacs or vim lover. 😛
    4. Boot Camp

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  • Keith Adamson

    At the risk of repeating myself, but this really bugs the hell out of me.

    To print a document:
    On a PC:
    Go to print dialog. Specify the printer, specify the paper size. Press 'PRINT'

    On a MAC:
    Go to print dialog. Check paper size. If incorrect,
    Go to page set up. Specify the printer, specify the paper size
    Go to print dialog. Specify the printer AGAIN!! Press 'PRINT'

    And this is supposed to be better ….? If there's an easier way (other than throwing away the MAC!) will somebody please tell me?

  • heber

    i am a windows lover.., i can do everything i want to do on it…i think whoever invented mac was on drugs becouse it is so stupid,,,its a pice of crap.

    i will never trade windows for leopard..i hate the ipods they just came out with..i hate them too.
    you just can not put the music u want,,,is what the ipod wants?that sucks!!! SUCKS!!

  • Nathan

    So, you say the Mac is a piece of crap. We're supposed to listen to you and consider you intelligent when you can't spell a 5-letter word that most second graders can spell. "Piece" go study that, and when you graduate elementary school, come up with a halfway decent argument about why Windows, an ancient legacy operating system that gets more viruses than a Mexican pig. Suck a disc and burn it.

  • Evan

    No Operating System is perfect.

    Except for Windows 7 Ultimate

    No Operating System is utter rubbish

    Except for Mac OS X

  • Roger Nelson

    I hate that the difference between administrator and root are not as accessible as on an open source operating system like linux… I hate that when I download something you never know where it will actually end up, what it tells you is a different story. I hate the stupid shit in the corner of the screen that makes your program disappear when you were just trying to access some features in that particular corner… I hate the file system, it seems convoluted. I hate planned obsolescence, like the fact that I need to purchase an upgrade for my OS 10.3.9 because nothing is compatible with it anymore. I hate that when I plug my unformatted hard drive into a box running windows or linux(every distro I have tried thus far) I can access both read and write privileges, however on mac I can only read… I hate planned incompatibility forcing you to buy other mac products… I hate that I can't seem to figure out how the hell to get a linux os installed onto my powerbook g4 which has been rendered almost unusable in its current state of obsolescence… Don't worry those of you using mac this will happen to your computer in the not so distant future when they stop maintaining your version of OSX too. I hate the fact that my flash plugins won't work anymore because my o.s. isn't being maintained any longer(yes that means no more watching porn)… I hate the user interface, I hate the file system, I hate the people who think their photoshop programs will not work well on windows, when at this point they will probably work better, not to mention the open source gimp which I've found more useful to my work than cs4… I guess macs are great if you only plan on delving into photoshop and some internet browser, but anything more and you will be very disappointed with performance….

  • shane

    The reason that when you disconnect a USB and the Mac wakes is to verify that there is no information lost when disconnecting.
    I have disconnected from My PC without first ejecting and I have lost valuable time, At least the Mac creates a Cache of what you have loading so that if you reconnect it can continue.(Please eject any device regardless of the OS)
    The reason that you do not have access to delete these files is because they are not meant to be deleted or because you do not have the correct password. (Take note of passwords, Again regardless of the OS) As PC will not allow you to delete some files, and if you delete the incorrect ones then you are screwed…….
    No matter the OS, You cannot delete a running application. (Duhhhh)
    If you want to quit any application click it once then press Command and Q.

  • Philip

    I bought a Mac Powerbook at Best Buys and took it back two weeks later. WHY?? Because I found it WAY TOO HARD TO USE compared to Windows, esp Windows 7.
    Two examples:
    1. I find an appealing picture of Lindsay Lohan when she is not drunk. I decide to write a report on "Lindsay Lohan Not Drunk." In WIndows 7 I right click, choose save image and am offered the option of create a new folder right in the save panel. In OS X I right click THE 3RD PARTY ADD-ON MOUSE I HAD TO BUY, choose save file but am offered NO NEW FOLDER OPTION. I have to use another application to create my folder, then come back and try to remember what the heck I was doing. Which ain't easy if you are ADHD!!
    2. I use Google images to find more non-drunk pictures of Lindsay, which I now save into the folder I created. Windows 7 — my work is done. Even if some of the images have file names like .lindsay.not.drunk001.jpg there is no problem. Mac OS X? BIG problem. Remember OS X is actually Unix in a clown suit. File names that begin with a dot are invisible in Unix. Disappearing files would create a mystery, but that is not what you get. Try to access those file and you get error messages out the wazoo and you have no way to fix it. Actually, there is a way. Simply exit to the Unix console, find the files using cd and ls (or grep or some other digestive noise), then rm them. If you are not an experienced Unix user you might want to get a copy of "Unix for Dummies" to use this Max OS feature.

    I took the Powerbook back to Best Buys. God bless them, they took it back. They gave me a full refund less a $150 cleanup/restock fee I felt was totally justified. I bought the HP Pavilion laptop I am using right now and went home with a big chunk of change in my pocket.

    Macs are for idiots in more ways than one. Note to Ms Lohan's attorney's virtually all pictures I have found on the Internet of Ms Lohan are show her lovely and inebriated. She is a wonderfully talented actress whom I adore. Please do not sue me or send around big guys to hurt me.

  • Philip

    Whoaa! Lohan attorneys!! Big TYPO!. Lindsay Lohan pics I have found show her lovely and NOT inebriated. Very sorry for the mix up. Please don't hurt me.

  • tom

    for force quitting on windows. dont even attempt to use the end task (and to all those who do after they read this are retarded) as its pointless just right click and go to process end process its much quicker and does the same task

  • george

    play this game if you hate pcs

  • Josh

    The fact that Mac yells at you for "yanking out" a USB drive is a good thing. You should stop or eject a USB drive before removing it, ESPECIALLY on a Mac – Mac uses a journalling file system, and if you unplug a drive before changes are recorded, you're going to lose data. It's happened to me.

    Also. Windows has made a tool of basically everyone on the planet, but at least we know and acknowledge that Microsoft is evil. No one worships the Gates the way they do the jobs (I refuse to capitalize its name because I only grant that respect to humans). Mac users are tools because they are charged enormous amounts of money for an architecture that should have been open-source in the first place. Mac is UNIX-based, people. Linux is free, and granted, there are a hell of a lot of problems with Linux due to lack of attention given it. If the whole Mac community would abandon their love-affairs with $3,000 laptops and start giving their efforts to the open-source community, Linux could and would be just as stable and powerful – and, most importantly, FREE.

  • Josh

    @Mikie PCs do not universally disallow USB booting, it has to do with whether your BIOS allows it. Virtually all BIOSes in PC-compatibles (laptops in particular) now support USB booting, and even if you have an old PC that doesn't, in many cases you can download a BIOS upgrade and re-flash it. Oh, wait, I don't even know if that's possible under Windows. Re-flash utilities are all ready to download in most Linux distros' repositories. 😀

  • Michael

    to me someone who uses windows i think mac is pretty useless i had one and tried to download a theme for firefox it kept on saying it had a error and it wasn't able to download when i tried to download the same thing on firefox for windows it worked. when i went to youtube all the freaking videos were too slow and on windows it was working perfectly fine.

    Thats i think macs are pretty useless

  • julien

    I agree with you all very much because I think macs suck and they are a good for nothing piece of crap.
    Pretty much nothing works on the mac. I like windows I can do almost any thing! And thanks for the comments.

  • Jonathan

    Almost none of these are reasons to prefer Windows, because almost none of them are advantages of Windows. Except for points one and two that you love about Windows, and three for hating macs which are more or less correct, so I won't go there.

    What you hate about Mac

    1. I have always hated how Windows wakes up if you unplug USB devices, whether there is any reason to or not. It should have finished up when it went to sleep, so why does it wake up? There's no reason, but Windows always does it too.
    2. USB drives can't simply be unplugged, because Windows doesn't make sure to finish writing data until you say you're going to unplug it – and sometimes it won't stop just because you told it to, it tells you to try again later until who knows what.
    4. No universal Installer is provided with Windows, they just have one freely available to developers – if developers choose not to build an uninstaller, then you're just screwed.
    5. This isn't entirely incorrect about Windows, but that's because the delete option to send to recycle bin in the first place is crippled instead – you only get to send files if it feels like letting you.

    Why you love Windows

    3. Access to the innards? Yeah right. You better hope that the file isn't use, and that Windows hasn't decided that even though you're administrator, you shouldn't have access to delete it. This happens on a regular basis.
    4. Easy force quit – well, it's actually easier, you just click the x in the top right, and it might close, or it might offer to end task now, but if not, then you had better know exactly what the file is, because the only way to kill it is by ending the specific process or processes and hope they don't respawn themselves still hung.
    5. Settings are remembered, but only if Windows hasn't reset them or spontaneously changed them. My favorite has always been where non-maximized windows are almost as big as Maximized windows, or better yet, they're bigger. Or Windows has moved the windows somewhere else, but it certainly isn't where you left it. This especially happens when you like windows to be maximized – you can only hope it doesn't come back restored instead, but the odds of that aren't good. And if it is restored instead, well, it's just in the default location.

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  • mikko

    I agree 110% on the cut-and-paste, or call it pickup-and-drop, anything. How do you drag & drop files to the parent folder? (easily, that is)

    Here are few things that bug me:

    - why can't you use binaries from /usr/bin or some other locations for "open with"? What's wrong with these programs?
    - why doesn't the cursor move with page up/down?
    - why do end/home keys "intuitively" do something different in almost every app?
    - why does switching spaces also switch programs, finder popping in front of others mostly?
    - why can't you access the menu bars with keyboard, EASILY?
    - why is the answer always "why do you need that? I wouldn't use it even if it was available"
    - why can't you run shell scripts without a terminal if there's a unix behind everything?
    - why isn't there an option to keep & show the folders always first, regardless of your sort order? because it's not intuitive? doesn't follow the sort? Why, do you also keep file cabinets within paper piles at your office?
    - and most of all, Why On Earth is it necessary to have a real-life analogy for every bell & whistle? It's a computer for crying out loud, the most natural way should be the computer way, not necessarily the real-life way (which apparently was modeled in the ridiculously crippled drag&drop;)

    Yes, I switched from pc(linux) to mac because I love how nicely it works with itself; sleep-resume, wifi, everything works, and quickly. Extremely nice build quality, very good screen, good battery life, etc. but… always something..

  • Tom

    Did you know there is Activity Monitor in Mac OS X?
    Just search it in Spotlight. And with Force Quit altogether, it is pretty much like Task Manager.
    I know that Task Manager in Windows is very useful, but something a serious crash, Task Manager sometimes just can't handle.
    This comment has been 2 1/2 years after this article has been published.
    I pretty much agree most of them, but some, like USB unplugging, it is recommend you to do it on Windows as well, it may lead to data loss, same on Mac.
    Nice Adam

  • Keith Adamson

    Okay guys, but please, please just answer me this:

    If a MAC is more than just a nice-looking toy, why have I just wasted an hour of my (working!) life, hunting for a file which I 'saved as' yesterday?

    Here's the story. I 'saved as', but forgot to take note of where Mac was going to save it (I always forget this because Mac's too stupid to default it to the same location as the original). I also couldn't remember the exact name of the file.

    In my application, tried to re-open recent files. Not there!

    When to 'Find' in the so-called 'Finder'. Hunted for all files saved yesterday. None. This is crazy – this is an office of 10 people. Nobody saved a file yesterday? I don't think so. Tried hunting for the 1st 4 characters of the name (this much I can remember). Is this supposed to work? What about wild cards?

    I think the OS keeps disconnecting from the network, because it seems to reconnect only if I specify a particular folder.

    Help on 'Find' is not much help. It keeps looking before I've told it what to look for. Where is the 'start searching now' button?

    Finally – a manual search, in the possible places it might be. Found it eventually.

    Oh, for a PC in my office! I don't have time for this!!

  • ihsan

    seroiusly, i love linux more than anythnig.specifically ubuntu.

  • Jah

    It's funny, I see a lot of comments in here bashing Mac users as computer illiterate but so many of the complaints from Windows users about using a Mac seem to stem from simple ignorance. We have a person complaining that they can't do screenshots on Mac, even though it's easily done, several different ways, with a single keyboard shortcuts. We have another person complaining that they can't eject a disc, even though this can be accomplished several easy ways, most simply by pushing the eject button on the keyboard. And people complaining about the way the print dialogue box is set up even though, frankly, it's very similar to Windows. And people complaining that Macs only have one mouse button, which they don't. And on and on it goes.

  • spookie

    Why do you have to eject first, before removing a drive on OSX? You don't. You will get an error message if you don't. On Windows, you are SUPPOSED TO stop the drive and eject (uh, safely remove hardware?!?), but if you don't you won't get the error message. Those of us who work with Windows systems in a support capacity DO "safely remove hardware" before removing usb drives, because not doing so can and often does result in data corruption. When asked (at work or in fixing friends' computers) why I stop and eject drives in Windows, I often point out that I'm a Mac and Linux user in my personal life, and those systems actively encourage this good computer user behavior. Windows should as well. This seems to me to be a feature, rather than a bug.

    You can copy and paste in the Finder. I do it all the time. And "Secure Empty Trash" allows you to trash things in use, though I'm not sure why you want to. I have never received this message except for a disk image that was still mounted after an install–I've never experienced a file preventing close and had to shut a program down, probably for the reason that most Mac programs are self-contained. BTW, "Secure Empty Trash" was on by default in my most recent Mac install (of OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard) on my Macbook Pro, but did not come on by default on my newly purchased Macbook Air 11" with OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard.

    I find that ctrl-alt-delete, more often than not, fails to bring up the Task Manager. Yes, individual processes can usually be stopped without difficulty (though usually NOT applications) IF I can get to the Task Manager, but Windows OFTEN doesn't let me get to the Task Manager, nor does it respond to multiple instances of ctrl-alt-delete as it's supposed to and gracefully or semi-gracefully shut down. I have NEVER seen option-command-esc fail to bring up Force Quit, and application have ALWAYS quit for me through Force Quit.

    As to resizing windows, Macs do this differently than Windows systems. The window that defaults on a Mac is intended to be one that optimally displays the window's contents. I find that this works well on well-written Mac applications and not so much on bad Windows ports. If you choose an OS based on how one resizes windows, well, I guess you get what you deserve. I find the maximize on Windows systems less and less relevant as displays get bigger and higher resolution. I no longer want my windows maximized on most displays. In this case YMMV.

    Now to what I LOVE about my Macs that I don't get with Windows (or with my Linux systems). This falls in the category with Window resizing–I don't see it as a reason to switch to Mac, but I find I miss it terribly on Windows and Linux. In a browser (any browser that supports tabs, not just Safari) holding the command key while clicking opens the link in a new tab without switching to that tab–fast, easy and a great way to open a lot of tabs with things you're comparing quickly and easily. Two-, three-, and four-finger clicking and dragging for easy navigation. Native spell-checking available in every application.

  • melissa

    Got a mac a few weeks ago. HATE IT. I want my old laptop back now.

  • Tom

    @Jah, I know, different OS are different, if were the same, how boring…
    The people just comment before they know that their Macs are 'can dos'
    Are you a Mac user? I am, I'm in the 6% of the whole computer users!

  • Keith Adamson

    Yes I know different OS's are different.

    I can remember the time when if you bought a Citroen, it didn't have self-cancelling indicators. Citroen dealers used to just shrug their shoulders and say – well, that's how it is. No Citroens have self-cancelling indicators. That was why, if you were going to overtake a Citroen, you just had to hope the driver had forgotten to cancel his indicator!

    Perhaps one day all MACs will work like PCs! Until then I'll go on sending stuff to the wrong printer and saving files to the wrong folder.

  • Joshua Issac

    Backwards compatibility is one of the greatest things about Windows. I can run 25 year old software made for OS/2 and DOS on Windows 7 seamlessly.

  • Lizzy

    I'm with Melissa on this, I got a MAC recently and I miss my windows 7, Internet Explorer

  • tara

    I am working already a year with MAC, and it's still dumbest thing I ever seen, only person who never worked on Windows might think Mac is genius. I truth, Mac is weak cheap copy of Windows, even if they claim opposite. Windows take care about user, you get customization, you got fast access to system, you can switch millions of tasks no matter how busy is processor and hard disks. You have choice how to copy files, how to manage swap disks, processors, etc. On Mac you just got Copy and Paste on the right mouse button, you can't change normally anything, when you're rendering whole system simply dies, no matter if you have 12 cores and 16 GB of memory, it's just peace of crap. You can't normally run 2 programs at once. The interface of leopard is a crap from early '90s, with dumb menu bar sharing all application, it terribly not ergonomic on dual '22 monitors, when you have to run your mouse across two monitors to press something on the menu. And it makes stupidly annoying switching between programs, especially when you can't Alt+TAB minimized programs, just clicking them on the bottom row manually. All that stupid tiny things, when you unplug usb from drives, and it shows nothing, and even waiting quite a while and taking usb out gives you error what system still accessing it, but gives no any message and not showing device anywhere. When you copy files, it can suddenly give an error what file is accessed and cannot be copied, but it is accessed by the copying process!!!!!!! DUMB!!!! How dumb!!!! I can tell about stupidity of Mac for ages, when you compare two systems lice Leopard (or snow leopard) and windows, you just go mad, because nothing works on mac, and it has just basic functionality. And when it takes 48 hours on Mac to copy 3000 files to the usb, when it takes 15 minutes on Windows, you just go mad. When you have a superfast raid of 6 disks, but can't switch swap file to this raid (only by some hacking which nobody tried ever). God, I hate mac. All programs runs at least 2-3 times faster on a 1.500 USD Windows PC, than on a 10.000 MAC, god, guys, you've been cheated, your money stolen for this kiddish design and smooth plastic. You think you can't calibrate monitor on Windows, or may be you think HD quicktime files work slower on windows? You are wrong. The rest is just your imagination and cheating Mac promotion. Mac is overpiced disaster. Boring and annoying. It has 20% of Windows functionality, and hardware managed like on early Windows '98….

  • Anthony

    Can you go buy a new CPU and plug it into your mac when your old CPU becomes obsolete?

    When you go to purchase your MAC at the Apple store, can you pick and choose the best components to put in it? Best CPU out there? Fastest SSD? Best Video card? Fastest RAM?

    Is it easy to get IT support at most business if you're using a MAC system and your Apple Care has expired?

    I think not.

    My favorite argument by MAC users is "The MAC is better for running graphics-heavy programs…Better for the designer."

    This makes me LOL

  • Bruce

    I recently upgraded my 17" laptop to Mac OS X 10.6.7. I have now run out of disk space (160 GB on my hard drive) and files are disappearing!!

    I have quickly learned to back-up all files that I care about.

    I am about to trash this computer and get a good PC!!!

  • CamW

    I prefer macs overall but realize they are dumbed down overpriced %^&*s sometimes.
    I find using the Terminal alot makes me feel like I'm using a real computer.
    Stuff I agree and disagree with:

    Mac minuses
    1) Disagree – I don't really care much, and neither should anyone else… Nitpick anyone?
    2) Disagree – You can yank them right out. Doesn't do anything.
    3) Agree – That's really annoying. The Finder is a pretty bad app, thank goodness its just an app and not the system! (Quicksilver, Pathfinder help a lot)
    5) Neutral – It's annoying but I just drag it to my Desktop and target the file, using Terminal's rm -rf to delete it.

    Windows plusses
    1) Disagree – The amount of software isn't a factor, considering bootcamp (or paralells) and trusty pirated versions of Windows.
    2) Agree – The plus button in Mac is useless, and a massive design flaw considering nobody knows what it is 😛
    4) Disagree – I like Mac force quit just as much as Windows, but wish it would also launch a "top" Terminal (Activity moniter, basically)
    5) Disagree – Works fine with me.

    And then my own opinion
    Mac plusses
    1) Smart Searches! I have about 10, for my apps (spread about everywhere), documents, codes, games, everything. Love it.
    2) Software piracy. Don't jump on me for this. Sometimes I need/want an app that costs $400, but only need to use it once for something I'll never have to do again. No viruses, no worries, free programs.
    That's about it. People say Windows is more open and customizable, but IMO that is only somewhat true. All the files and stuff relating to the GUI part of the OS are easy to replace and change. If you want flexibility, go Linux…
    Flame all you want 😛


    I hate mac. windows 7 rocks

  • Heather

    I like how all the mac people get on here and they're like… oh you can do that you just have to push "Shift + Option + Control + Command + 3 + H + Return" … oh… really, in Windows you just click it.

    And why in the world do mac mice only have 1 button? why must i have to click and push control to 'right click'? I hooked up a pc mouse to the mac I'm forced to use at work.

    Little tasks are just so much more complicated on macs.

  • William

    People who use a mac act like they never should reconfigure a computer.
    Like really, It clears out stuff you will never need and helps to cleanse your machine.
    And on the external drives, it all depends on the formating of your drive, windows is smart enough to auto-detect the formating of the drive.

  • Scott

    Macs are Phat32, windows is ntfs, unlimited data transfer "thumbs up".Macs only 4gb limit.

    Sucks to be you mac.

  • CamW

    Ok, no, macs do NOT have 4 gig limit. They're a better operating system. But I got an HP just now so yeah. It was half the cost of the mac book pro and had better specs.

  • Laura

    I HATE THE DAMN PAD!!! If I breath on it the wrong way my mac flips out and I end up tying some random letters in the middle of a sentence, or a page pops up, or something equally annoying happens that I didn't tell it to do. Safari is ALWAYS, without fail, quitting on me for no reason. Sometimes I have a lot of pages up and it just can't handle it, OK that I understand, but when I'm trying to check my email and that damn little color wheel starts spinning … I want to throw this thing out the window.
    What it comes down to is my mac is old and senile and hates me. I don't know how it's still alive, it's died three times that I can recall off the top of my head. I applaud it but I also curse it. I wish I could get a new laptop but it's just not in the cards (money, it dying in a year, money again). It's too bad consumerism is running this country, I would really like a computer that lasts more than a couple years.

  • Cam W

    Lol, I just got my Windows 7 laptop and it started BSODing 10 minutes into using it :P. Returned. Still not getting another Mac, too overpriced. The bottom line is Macs are better as long as you aren't paying for it!

  • Ashik

    I hate Mac and most of the things about Apple. The only thing they brought out good is Ipad and that is for their design, usability and convenience, not about computing efficiency. S.J. and his company is simply over hyped among the public. I am a PC user and will never purchase a Mac product. :)

  • iJohel

    I'm primarily a Mac user but i have Windows installed on a Partition on my hard drive and i use it frequently. The thing i most love about Windows is the sheer amount of applications ( especially games) that are available for the platform. Even games available for the Mac simply run better on windows. On the other hand, the user interface for the Mac is absolutely gorgeous and it is really easy to use ( especially good for those who are new to computers). I would describe the relationship between Mac and Windows as a Beauty (Mac) vs Brains (Windows) dispute.

  • Graeme Barker

    One of the biggest things I hate about MAC is manually changing the size of a window. There is only one handle in the bottom right corner to drag. This is no problem on a big screen, but if I'm using a small screen on my Mac Mini, some apps don't fit on the screen. I can't resize the window because the handle is off the screen. In Windows, you can drag any edge or any corner, but in MAC… sorry, no!
    And, I totally agree that being able to tinker in Windows is much easier than in MAC. I don't know much about Terminal commands or Unix (though I do use Linux sometimes), it is much easier to F*** up Windows. I like it that way because it's MY COMPUTER!!!!! If I want to delete some system files, then I want to delete those system files.

  • Graeme Barker

    Another HUGE thing I hate about MAC is that if you want to upgrade some software to use the one new feature, like in iTunes, you also have to upgrade your ENTIRE OS.

  • I_regret_buying_Mac

    I hate that when you click on a menu item on the toolbar, the keyboard shortcuts listed next to the command are displayed in hieroglyphics with these weird symbols representing who knows what keys on your keyboard.

  • I_regret_buying_Mac

    I hate that the DELETE key deletes text behind, not in front of the cursor…and that there is no evident way to delete text in front. After Googling, I discovered you had to hold the Function + DELETE key to do this. Lame.

  • Jack

    Yeah right. CTRL ALT DEL fails to stop programs all the time. “This program failed to properly close. Send an error report?” AgHHH!!!! Mac Force Quit works instantly every time.

    Screw you, Windows!

  • Jim

    My clients brand new mba had a virus on it (think it was called Lion OSX, or something), it was a real bugger to get rid of – every single time i turned the machine on i was presented by a pop up of someone sticking up two fingers at me…very offensive. Anyway managed to remove it eventually, and now Win7 is running like a dream! I’m a total convert.

  • Peter

    I have been using Windows for ages! I have probably reinstalled XP on my previous computers 4-5 times over the space of 5 years (due to viruses or just wanting a clean slate). I am a IT Administrator. I took up a role at a school running Mac’s just to see things from the other side. I hate working with their users so much I’m back over to the PC world. Mac users are a strange bunch.

    Things I have found that annoy me about Macs.

    1) No Cut and paste, and having to drag files from one window to another to serve this purpose.

    2) Applications stay open even when you hit the read x button, taking up system resources.

    3) I really hate the whole click on the program you want to get the menu up the top for the program. Why can’t it just be at the top of the programs window under “options” or something.

    4) When things go wrong, I have no idea sometimes whats causing it. I get erroneous error messages which I can’t find in google. Hardware faults are that much harder to track. You have to use verbose mode.

    5) The new lion is a step backwards for MAC. They have kind of fucked things up with users because it is certainly not as stable, even with the 10.7.3 patch. And users do not like a lot of the new things they have introduced such as that pesky tick box on restarting or all programs opening after a crash.

    6) Programs, you basically have to buy everything you need. There’s not much free stuff for Macs.

    It’s far easier to guide users over the phone in Mac though, plus remote desktop is bloody refined on Mac.

    Time machine backup is a real benefit of a Mac!!


    What makes PC’s better.

    1) I can build my own PC from scratch without paying the premium

    2) I can download a lot of free software, its cheap to buy software for PC’s also.

    3) I have not had a virus in the 3 years I have been using windows 7 with the default firewall and AVG.

    4) They can’t be beaten in a organisation for managing them with windows server.

    5) If it does something crazy I can easily find out whats wrong with it, close the offending program through task manager.

    6) I can restart my computer in 30 secs. Who cares if it crashes a few times? I’ve probably done this 6 times in 3 years! It’s hardly an issue. The better the hardware, the less you’ll have issues.

    In essence they both have their upsides.

  • Deondre Hakim

    Macs are for elites, malcontents and homosexuals. I’m buying a microcomputer or solid state device to enhance productivity, not to buy into a cult wearing lime green shirts and skinny jeans. Not to say that Windows isn’t flawed because it was very flawed over the last decade. Microsoft became more concerned about defending antitrust litigation by lobbying for the political party of homosexuals and communists as opposed to improving product performance and support for its ever-increasing user base and their requirements. Apple is headed down the same path. An OS written in Objective C will always be a nightmare for third party developers, almost making it cost-ineffective to become a software provider. After the death of the Messiah, Apple will return to earth and its limitations will start to be exposed. Fascism in governance for policymakers or private sector enterprises is never the best way forward. Open source will win out, and Microsoft is realizing its past missteps by vastly consolidating the C++ code in Windows 7 and the upcoming Windows 8 terrestrial and mobile platforms. Google has really shaken the industry up by alleviating the burdens of astronomical licensing fees. Apple has plateaued and the descendency will begin.

  • rodger

    all mac’s have a lot of problems you have to pay out the backend to get it fixed.the NEW are all kinds of problems. mac pro cant even run thunderbolt. mac book pro cant
    even play true 1920 x1080p.and that is a fact.but a pc can.

  • rodger

    spend all your money on a mac that should work rite to begin think im kiding go to google or tou tube and just search problems with mac’s. you see. and do the same for pc’s.

  • rodger

    google problems with mac’s youll see.

  • skullz

    Worst thing about Mac by far is the fact that it can’t natively write NTFS, or format it.. sons of bitches can’t just let me write a 8GB file from my mac to copy to my Window eh? Need 3rd party software eh? Cost like $40 bucks eh? Damn you Apple!!!!!!!!!

    Absolutely love my macbook though with homebrew and oh-my-zsh its freaking nice for a computer programmer / tinkerer. However I am not bound to it, I love my Windows Desktop just as much and my ubuntu Desktop as well. What I really want to try though is that new chrome pixel touchscreen laptop with the Chrome OS. That would be nice to dig into.

  • YemSalat

    Apple creates amazing hardware and amazingly bad software. That is all.

    • Smithie

      You hit the nail on the head.

      • Cameron Eby

        Intel creates their good hardware.

    • Crusty Gronk

      Then clearly you don’t know how to use the Mac software. Smack your own forehead. You are the issue.

      • Fiyero109

        there is a difference between learning how to use unintuitive software and creating good interfaces…

        • Crusty Gronk

          Strange, you know the difference, yet cannot use a Mac?
          Mac does all that, if only you had the sense to understand.

          • ben franklin [pre death]

            A common response from mesmerized Apple fan-boys. The OS X UI is sleek and great for black box users. Anyone who wants any level of refined control of their OS without having to resort to UNIX shell circa 1985 knows the OS X UI is just terrible. If only you novices had the ability to understand. We all know that tech is the new “in thing” and that things that used to be for geeks and nerds are now pop sensations. But just b/c you are on the modern wave of technomancy does not make you an advanced user.

      • YemSalat

        Yeah, “best” reply ever. There is nothing to know there, its just not designed for productivity, its designed for simplicity and that shows.
        Window management sucks, common functionalities (like scaling the window) are inconsistent, multi-monitor support is the worst on the market, I can go on for quite a while..

      • Mateus Ribeiro

        Shut up asshole, there are indeed serious issues with Mac OS and I’m not even talking about the ones listed here. For instance: it is impossible to rename or delete stuff on a save or load dialog window. So I have to cancel the operation, go to Finder, navigate to the damn folder, rename or delete the file that is bothering me, and then retry the operation. Now imagine this shit over the years, I lost a fucking decade doing this.

        • Jay Wilson

          LOL I hear your pain dude! So TRUE! I hate that about my Mac too. It pisses me off. In the end tho, I stick with it because when I had a pc I lost even MORE of my life installing and updating drivers and all sorts of little nickel and dime type crap that only programmers would have the patience for. At the end of the day PC is better for computer nerds who want to noodle around with the details. I’m just a software jockey. I want everything to work like now.

          • Mateus Ribeiro

            Every platform has a porpouse, Mac is good for work, PC is the best to play high tech games and Linux is fast and cheap to build servers…

  • Smithie

    Oh my god, thank you. I’m so glad I’m not the only one.

  • Doug

    I like to download apps to my network drive for later storage… when I use the SAVE AS function, it would be nice to be able to easily create a folder prior to saving the installation file. But for some reason, the ‘New Folder’ button and navigation bar menu gray out this function. I have to a VMWare Window’s mode to do file management. Also, hate that I can’t simply hit the DELETE button to delete a file! The Mac is very cumbersome and hides functions in Command-Shift functions.

  • Slam

    Maybe the problem is most often 6 inches in front of the keyboard. If you don’t know how to do basic tasks, then YOU are likely at fault.

  • Slam

    Mac mouses stopped having a single button in 1923. Circa…

  • Slam

    This is normal, and happens in all systems. The OS has new functionalities integrated to its frameworks, and therefore, software made after the update may use these new functionality that the old OS didn’t have.

    • YemSalat

      What the heck is preventing Safari from upgrading without having to upgrade the OS?
      I see Chrome running perfectly fine on the latest version, using the same rendering engine as Safari. Now everybody who is not on the latest OS X is also not on the latest version of the browser..

      • Slam

        This is something that happens all the time on any platform. If the update of your particular piece of software takes advantage of a feature that is only present in the new frameworks included in your OS update, it MAY not work properly, or at all. At that point, it’s all about how the programmers are thorough with backward compatibility.

        And what you said previously is not what happens ALL the time. You can get away with an older version of Mac OS X or iOS and still have working updates for Safari, but at some point, you’re bound to meet a dead-end, because the developers consider that too many features of the software are dependent on the features of the OS.

        Safari is Safari and Chrome is Chrome. The web rendering engine is one thing, but a browser is more than that. Each developer has its own philosophy on when to stop support for earlier versions of their software.

        And finally, it’s usually not a bad thing to have a completely up-to-date OS.

        • ben franklin [pre death]

          A browser that’s locked into the OS framework? I’m no fan of IE, but I get updates to it without having to overhaul my OS. Apple seems to value stop-support at an extremely early time. It’s not a bad idea to have a completely up-to-date OS unless, of course, that update breaks your professional software requiring patches and further OS updates. Has happened 2 times to me in OS X.

          • Slam

            Not “extremely early”, but yes, Apple has a philosophy that promotes the new stuff faster. And the vast majority of users tend to upgrade Mac OS X early on. In the Windows world, we constantly hear people whining that the new Windows “sucks” or “is not like before”, etc., and lots of users stay with an old Windows because they are used to it.

            More generally, yes, all OSes have frameworks on which the software is dependant. It’s the nature of how software is programmed. As a rule of thumb, and from my experience, I’d say you can wait 3, maybe 4 major versions of Mac OS X before you are left in the dust. For example, once Yosemite (10.10) was out, Snow Leopard (10.6) was considered old and mostly unsupported.

          • ben franklin [pre death]

            I was really talking about their hardware support. Basically iPad 2 users were told to shove it when their touchpad’s wifi basically shut down when iPad Air came out. Hundreds and hundreds of comments regarding this problem were logged on Apple’s support forum thread for it and not one Apple rep ever came to the forum to say anything. Not one fix was offered. I was left with a touchpad that only worked within 10 feet of my router but was basically a $400 paperweight anywhere else in the house. Used to work just fine before they released their newer hardware.

            Apple’s philosophy is to promote people to buy new stuff when their old stuff would still have worked fine without Apple’s explicitly manipulated planned obsolescence (which I guess we are now calling a “philosophy”).

            I know you think you’re speaking to a consumer, but I am also an IT professional with a masters degree in computer science. Windows performs its framework updates separately from updating the entire OS. It’s not the “nature of how software is programmed” which is a gross oversimplification of how an operating system is developed. OSes and general use software are extremely different animals.

            I just helped my brother migrate away from Apple’s nightmare of a philosophy to Windows 8.1 (a subpar Windows release to be sure) and he couldn’t be happier. Now he doesn’t have to worry about wading through 1000s of Google search results to perform some simple OS manipulations and his OS will be supported for the next decade if he chooses not to upgrade.

            Apple may have the marketing and manipulation tricks down to a tee but they will never have superior operating systems. It’s their highly flawed philosophy of trying to corral people into using all Apple software/hardware that makes them so detestable. Limiting users from accessing their own data in order to force their proprietary software on us is also evidence of their highly detestable and flawed “philosophy”. But some people like conformity wrapped in fancy marketing and so will completely defend these silicon police state tactics.

  • Slam

    The NTFS thing is a problem with Windows, not the other way around.

  • Slam

    Stop whining and put some money on the side until you can afford a Mac.

    • ben franklin [pre death]

      pfft. Or learn to use a PC. I think this dood is full of shait. I’m a daily Windows user (7, 8, and 10) and I haven’t seen a BSOD since XP service pack 1.

      • Slam

        If he buys a Mac and gets used to it and use it a few years, then he will be able to make a informed choice.

        • ben franklin [pre death]

          I see. So he should spend an excessive amount of money on the same hardware that could be gotten much cheaper, spend years getting used to OS X… and then he can make an “informed choice”? Doesn’t sound economically feasible for most people’s wallets. The post-Intel Macs are way too expensive for what you get. At least in the pre-Intel era, they used all proprietary hardware that could justify the super-orbital prices they charge. Now, I can build a hackintosh with equivalent or exact matching hardware for 1/3 of the cost and I’ll actually be able to tweak it (both hardware and software) without jumping through 1000 hoops. And since OS X is classically locked up to all but UNIX-aficionados, I’d just install Windows 7 Pro instead. Forget the Hackintosh altogether and just go with a custom built PC that matches all the hardware lol.

          • Slam

            Well, how do you suppose someone would know how Mac OS X works if not by using it a few years? A 20 minutes test drive is not enough. And it’s not like buying a Mac will ruin you for life. You are blowing the thing out of proportions.

            Remember, most people don’t have the time nor the knowledge to built their own computer.

          • ben franklin [pre death]

            Just buying a PC with Windows 7 or 8.1 will do just fine. No need to build a computer. The subject at hand is the insanely inflated costs of hardware for Macs. They’re worse than the markup Alienware was doing before Dell bought them out. I’m not blowing anything out of proportion. For the same level of hardware that is in a $2000 Mac, I can buy a $750 PC and it will often have better graphics and sound capabilities. Remember, most people don’t have an extra $1250 to blow on trying to learn a new OS that has obvious flaws in its customization. Again, I suggest that Macs are great for black box users… but we’re not discussing those people here.

  • Slam

    No, Macs are not FAT32, old Windows version were. Macs used HFS+ since Classic 8.1, and now HFSX since Panther (Mac OS X 10.3).

  • dimples

    Apple? Windows? Love those crappy corporations do you? Both suck.

  • Kirk Hiner

    Command + V is the shortcut for pasting in TextEdit, or you can select Paste from the Edit menu.

  • patriotkat

    Macs are for oeople with attention deficit disorder

  • Slam

    The point is that it’s more a question of ingrained habits of each individual user than the features of the OS being “bad” or “good”. However, there are examples of objective “good” features, like consistency between applications. Mac are known to be very consistent in term of keyboard shortcuts, menu placement, controls in windows, etc. When an app goes the wrong way, it doesn’t take long before the developer receives negative feedback about it.

    • YemSalat

      lol, you can’t be serious, right?
      You just described exactly the things Macs are known to suck at: “consistency between applications, keyboard shortcuts, menu placement, controls in windows, etc”
      Text controls (jumping words/end/start of the line), the way backspace/delete works, ENTER key, etc. – are entirely different between applications.
      How about the fact that I have two keys, one named “ENTER”, the other one “RETURN”, and they both do the same thing, (they RENAME a file or directory by the way, gotta admit that is very self explanatory)
      I also have two keys named “DELETE” that do two DIFFERENT things (one of them is actually a backspace, but try explaining that to your grandma over the phone)

      Now about the menus, why is it that in every app right-clicking brings up a context menu, but not in Activity Monitor? The processes look exactly like regular list items in other apps that are perfectly right-clickable. Why do I have to select an item, then move my mouse to the stupid button in the menu, then click it.. Why can’t I just right-click -> kill ??

      Your “consistency” argument is completely destroyed by the infamous “maximize” button. Also if you switch on a setting that makes window scrollbars always visible – you loose the ability to resize columns in finder (no warning about that by the way!)

      “Negative feedback” is often not present. Sometimes finder just restarts on me. I mean just kills the window and opens it again in the same place as if nothing happened. And way too often do I find popup windows that are hidden between the rest oof the window mess in OS X (cause it sucks at window management as well)

      • Slam

        The most basic menus are placed consistently at the same places between applications, have consistent naming and shortcuts. You expect buttons to always look the same, placed in the same order in a modal dialog, etc. There’s always an exception somewhere, but the vast majority (and it’s not just apps made by Apple) follow these rules.

        Actually, the most obvious exceptions where buttons and menus look all “unnatural” is when an application is ported directly from Windows and the basic rules of Mac GUI are not respected.

        The backspace and delete key exist on Windows, too, and it’s a good thing. The backspace deletes the character at the left of the cursor and moves left. The delete key deletes the character at the right of the cursor and stays in place.

        As for the Return and Enter keys, they do have different key codes on the Mac, and therefore can be assigned to two different actions. It’s just that it’s very rare, and by default, they do the same thing.

        As for the Activity Monitor, you are nitpicking software features. You can as well use the Terminal to kill jobs, if you’re so inclined.

        The maximize button does not have the same goal as in Windows, and therefore, cannot be compared. It’s the zoom button, and the goal is to resize the window to fit its content. It’s been like that since Classic and it’s not a bad thing, it’s just a different thing than Windows. The only major change in that is because of the coming of the tablet/smartphone era, where maximization makes more sense. But it’s still a specific “mode” that you enter and leave.

        I don’t think Exposé and Space can be called “bad” window management. Too much options to call it bad. Different than Windows, sure, but bad?

    • Fiyero109

      there’s a difference between making things intuitive, and some I like for macs but for pete’s sake make the damn maximize button work, I want to watch my movies and read my webpages on the whole freakin 15 inches of my screen. I also want to copy paste and have a delete button. These things are self evident regardless of the OS

      • Slam

        It’s a zoom button, and doesn’t do the same as on Windows. Starting from Yosemite, the zoom button’s function was changed to toggle full screen mode (Option-click for classic zoom), probably as part of the iOS-ification of Mac OS X, and maybe some pressure from Windows switchers as well, who can’t stop whining because they can’t fathom the idea that every OS in the world is not behaving exactly like Windows.

        Copy paste is done through the Edit menu, or by using Cmd-C and Cmd-V.

        The Delete key is at the right of the Return key, known ambiguously as the “Enter” key on Windows PCs and Linux. If you can’t find the Delete button, it’s because you chose to have a compact keyboard that is shorter and therefore has fewer keys.

        • Fiyero109

          no, I have a nice and big macbook pro, all windows laptops have a delete AND backspace key. I referred to the cut function being different for no reason, and what’s the purpose of this stupid zoom, it does nothing helpful. you either have a window minimized or maximized. for the rare occasions you need to have two windows up THEN you should have to do it manually. I know you’re trying to justify the dumb things apple does but it’s ok nobody is perfect, not even the people at Apple

          • Slam

            The cut function? I don’t follow. As for the Delete key, it has not changed in many years, it still deletes forward.

            The zoom function’s purpose is to resize the window to fit the content. Windows has a maximize button that makes the window the size of the screen.

            More recently, full screen functions were integrated to the foundation frameworks of Mac OS X (Cocoa), and the green button now defaults to toggle full screen mode, which is different from the zoom function.

            It’s not dumb, it’s different from what you’re used to.

          • YemSalat

            Being able to maximize ANY window to full screen is a very useful ability when you are on laptop with a < 15 inch screen. Mac users are just not used to having this function always available so they disregard it without even considering that other OS might do it better then theirs.

            I often see mac users with a clusterfuck of windows on their desktop, dragging and resizing them manually with the mouse (yet having just one menu bar, "yay" for loads of useless mouse movement)

            I bet back in the day when you could only resize the window from one corner in OSX – you would also defend that and say that people are just using the mac the wrong way.

      • Crusty Gronk

        I watch movies on my whole Mac screen. You don’t use the maximize button (I never use it) there is a full screen button on the right side of the window. Youtube, or movies , on full screen is so simple. Again, learn to use your Mac.

        • Fiyero109

          clearly you bought an expensive piece of technology to just watch movies….sad but that’s what most of the mac users use it for anyway. any movie player or web player has a full screen button, no reason why my chrome or finder would ever need to be full screen…

          • Crusty Gronk

            You wrote, and I quote, “I want to watch my movies and read my webpages on the whole freakin 15 inches of my screen.” Hello?

            Your latest reply makes no sense.
            And no, I can view my web pages as full screen, with HUGE print, or, as tiny as I chose. I can do that because it’s a Mac.

          • ben franklin [pre death]

            Font adjustment for web pages is a feature of your browser, not your OS. And accessibility options are available in Windows, too.

        • ben franklin [pre death]

          Not features of the OS, features of the browser or movie app.

      • Slam

        It’s not a maximize button. It’s a zoom button, and it makes the windows fit its contents. It’s not a bug, it’s meant to be that way. If you want to watch a movie in full screen, you enter the full screen mode, which is Cmd-F on QuickTime, and I think it’s the same on VLC.

        Starting from Yosemite (Mac OS X 10.10), the “maximize” button now acts as a toggle between full screen mode. To zoom the classic way, you hold Option (alt) while pressing the green button.

        To copy-paste, use Cmd-C and Cmd-V. That’s very basic. The delete key is on the right of the Return key. Below the fn key. You don’t have this key if you have a compact keyboard type. You need the extended keyboard type.

  • Slam

    The equivalent of the task manager in Mac OS X is called Activity Monitor. From there, you can see information about CPU usage, RAM usage, and force quit apps that stopped responding. Or you can do it in Terminal, with the Unix command “top”.

    • ben franklin [pre death]

      That’s the issue, though. Macs are truly made for black box users and UNIX aficionados. There’s no real in between.

      • Slam

        What do you mean by “Black Box Users”? What would be the in-between?

        • ben franklin [pre death]

          Black box is an IT industry term. A black box user is someone who doesn’t care about the inner workings of their computer / OS. They won’t tweak it at all nor customize or upgrade it without going to an authorized dealer. They see the box and they use it. Period.

          The UNIX aficionado is someone who is well versed or mastered in UNIX. They can pretty easily go into the UNIX shell on OS X to do the tweaking and customizing of the OS. Actually, if you can get passed the OS X admin lock outs, OS X is extremely customizable but you really have to know your UNIX or be prepared for an extreme amount of Googling. However, since Macs are not generally set up for fiddling in the OS, if you’re not well versed in UNIX, Googling things can mess something up.

          The in between are people who aren’t UNIX masters nor are they people who don’t want to touch their OS. I’d say that a good portion of IT pros fall into this category as well as many tech hobbyists and a growing number of average users as computer tech becomes more standard in society. UNIX is different enough from Linux (especially in OS X) that lots of Googling is still needed even if you are well versed in Linux. This is why I find Windows to be superior to OS X. For nearly all OS tweaks and changes, I can remain in the UI but also have the option of using the command line. Very few things require command line use. Additionally, finding help on Windows via Google is much easier than finding help with OS X. I’ve spent a hell of a lot more time Googling OS tweaks for OS X than Windows. Like 3 – 4x more.

          • Slam

            That’s what I’m curious about. How does Windows lets you tweak the OS without going to the extreme with the CLI? Can you give me a few examples of tweaks, and how they can be done more easily with Windows integrated UIs?

          • ben franklin [pre death]

            Give me a few days to do a side-by-side with my Mac Pro and I’ll get back to you. It’s not just the OS tweaking, it’s doing any kind of intermediate level work. I haven’t exactly been keeping a log of all the crap I try to do that has ended up with me Googling UNIX all night instead of doing my tweaks and getting on with what I’m trying to do. I try not to remember those frustrations. One example would be replacing my video card with one that is non-EFI (so I don’t end up paying $600 for a $250 card). I had to go into one of the configuration files and manually code edits in before and after physical installation just so I could install. That’s really obnoxious and just one example of hoops that have to be jumped through for simple things in OS X where I can just plug in, install drivers, and move on in Windows.

            Macs are really great machines for creative types that are black box users (like I said). They don’t concern themselves with swapping out RAM / video cards. They just need a box that reliably runs their programs and appeals to their aesthetic nature. It’s no secret that Apple has tried to do with their hardware what the automotive industry has begun to do with their cars… namely to make them so locked up and vendor-specific that you are nearly forced to go to their own service shops (think Genius Bar) and it costs an arm and a leg to go anywhere else unless you are a mechanic with up-to-date training (advanced user or Apple-trained tech support).

  • Slam

    It’s actually the opposite, and it’s been like that at least since the disquettes epoch. Windows still struggles reading Mac volumes, whereas the opposite is usually okay.

  • Sangie Nativus

    Let’s rebuttal your Mac claims:
    1) Reason #1? This is super petty. Shut down your computer.
    2) You SHOULD eject your drives from Windows too. Just yanking it causes a prompt to come up asking to repair.
    3) I don’t know what you’re doing but you can cut and paste in the finder. Use the command key instead of the ctrl key. Works just fine.
    4) Because programs don’t actually install. They make a .app file. You want it gone you delete it. It’s actually much cleaner than Windows, which just spews garbage DLL and crap files everywhere.
    5) Mac has built-in secure delete. Windows? Nope! Also Mac actually tells you what program is keeping a file from being deleted. Windows? NOPE

    5 Reasons why I hate Windows
    1. You require some sort of malware/anti-virus protection. It is a plus that Microsoft includes Security Essentials now, but the malware on it is just hideous.
    2. So many damn background processes. I did an experiment. I installed Mac OS X and Windows on the same PC (By PC I mean I built it myself) And Mac just feels so much quicker and smoother than the Windows drive.
    3. It requires constant updates to an irritating degree. Every time I launch a Steam game, Direct X has to do shit. Steam on Mac… oh it just launches the game! Howa bout that.
    4. Sooo looong to boooot
    5. When Mac crashes, it remembers the files that were open and where the windows are exactly so when it reboots you’re right back where you left off in less than 20 seconds. Windows? You’re screwed. And if you had programs open they’re probably lost any files that were in them unless the program itself autosaves.

    • ben franklin [pre death]

      Nope. I have a Mac Pro running Yosemite and Bootcamp into Windows 7. Perfect perspective for this.

      1) Who the heck shuts down their computer any more? I do this when going on vacation / long trips / maybe once a month overnight. Any heavy user should laugh at this ridiculous “workaround” for waking a computer from unplugging USB
      2) Actually most devices (iPhone included) does *not* need to be ejected. That error message you talk about is from Vista and older for everything except external hard drives.
      3) You CANNOT cut and paste… you CAN copy & paste this is very different as one moves a file, the other creates a duplicate and you must delete the original.
      4) Some large applications are not self contained. Furthermore, as of Windows 7, DLL problems are pretty rare and most users don’t even need to know about them. 1 stop shop in Windows for uninstalling anything including updates whereas you need to locate apps in OSX to uninstall, any major apps may require further seek & destroy, and if you updated your OS and it breaks apps (happens VERY often in OSX), good luck rolling back. It’s a nightmare.
      5) I’m always notified by Windows which program is running and preventing deletion. Did you just make this one up?

      #1 in your Windows hate section is the only valid one. However, since Windows 7 Pro, even people who visit the seediest websites can get by with Avast free and a little know-how. In fact, that’s the major difference between Windows and OSX users. Windows thrives when you understand computers at an basic or intermediate level where in OSX you either want complete black box usage or you need to understand UNIX really well to thrive.

      #2 Your Mac has plenty of background processes that are hidden from you. However, having a UNIX base, OSX will generally run more quickly on the exact same setup. However, for any advanced usage, you should be well versed in that UNIX base… really well versed… or prepare for hours of Googling

      #3 Most of my updates in Windows are fast. Many run in the background with no interference. You can roll back Windows updates with extreme ease. I already wrote about OSX updates totally breaking many apps (including a $1000 music production apps) and the nightmare it is to roll back.


      Any computer with an SSD will boot quickly. Side-by-side, there is no practicable difference between SSD boots on OSX and Windows. On standard platter HDs, OSX only boots about 10% faster on my Mac Pro. Negligible considering all the other crap one has to deal with in their OS

      Macs aren’t supposed to crash regularly, right? Weird. I haven’t experienced a Windows crash out since XP. Seriously. Maybe it’s because I always wait for SP1 release of any Windows before upgrading but I’ve really not had a total crash out in Windows since XP. I admit that OSX has only really crashed out once or twice, too. But only my Finder windows reopened. Any data files I was working with were only recovered to an autosave point… same as Windows.

      This all being said… I prefer certain Linux distros to either of these.

  • Mayor McCheese

    I’m sorry Microsoft has brainwashed you into thinking what is important when it comes to computers. From what I see, here is who you actually coordinating with the same response number above:

    1) Oh no, I have to push a button. – Cause: LAZY
    2) Last time I checked, you should eject your USB on both platforms but more for Windows – Cause: HAS NEVER USED AN APPLE PRODUCT
    3) What the frick are you talking about? – Cause: Moron
    4) Just hold down the power button idiot – Cause: Doesn’t know isht
    5) Now you’re just lying – Cause: Hates OSX because it’s easier to use as it was built with ALL users in mind and you don’t have to be a computer programmer to it – Cause: HATER.

    Since Apple makes better machines, how come you don’t just run Windows on a MAC? LOL.


  • Thomas Chapman Wing

    I got to this thread by googling “where the fuck is my file on mac” when I saved an image just now supposedly to “photos,” and now I can’t find anything in photos … except stuff from months ago. Infuriating.

  • Leo

    That’s funny, because I found this article by googling “why is finder so frigging crappy” except I didn’t use “frigging” or “crappy” (not sure what language gets modded here). The funny thing is, when i ask Google questions like that about my Mac, there’s always someone asking the same question with the same friggin’ wording.

  • YemSalat

    Yeah, WTF?!!

  • YemSalat

    Lol, this is awesome: ” I like it that way because it&#39s MY COMPUTER!!!!! If I want to delete some system files, then I want to delete those system files.”


  • Slam

    If you don’t try Mac products, you can’t compare them with other platforms.

  • intrr

    6) Inconsistent and inefficient focus model. Click a window to focus, THEN click on the UI element you wanted to click. WAIT, but that isn’t true for ALL UI elements, but only, errrr. some. Which? You never know, the program’s developer decides. Hey, but DON’T click too fast (first to focus, then on the element), because THAT will be interpreted as a DOUBLE-CLICK and NOT do what you wanted.

    Any questions?

    • Slam

      There are GUI rules about that. In programming jargon, it’s called First Mouse, set to true or false. Generally speaking, you set First Mouse to true on a View object when an indirect click is not destructive or don’t modify anything on the Data Model, like a simple selection of an item in a list, for example.

  • intrr

    And why do people use such a huge amount of *($#U*()@$KP{@#%LP${@L characters in their posts, and/or why is this damn forum software so BUGGY?

    • ben franklin [pre death]

      Because their software is written on a Mac…


  • RoyX

    Apple is basically a company that sells to the uniformed or not tech savvy new generation or old generation that knows nothing about technology or how a PC actually works. Apple basically caters to “style” which is like people who are so pretty but have bad personalities. To me, I put less care on what it looks like and what it can do inside. Apple is overpriced and even though the stock is high, it’s easy money for trash. Recently, if you Google the company OnePlus; now that’s a company that actually outperforms Apple’s phones in every way, even pricing.

    • ben franklin [pre death]

      So true. It’s especially funny how Apple fanboys think that Windows users are “stuck in the past” and “not tech savvy”. Lol.

  • jason hawkins

    I agree the other problem with mac a new program comes out sorry it only works on 10.10 and later wtf I got a mac book and apple says it cant take windows 10 they were wrong it was perfect and fast but it can’t take a newer mac os because it’s 32 bit and cant play brilliant blueray dts like windows windows is much better you can run anything of it longs you don’t install crapy tool bars they hide in terms and conditions and regular cleanups windows is fine you can even load windows 10 on a cheap core2 duo like I did with hackingtosh and windows I fixed a few macs they can get viruses I did this deliberate to see how robust it was but wasn’t it corrupted
    Macs are way overpriced and just boring to use

  • Crusty Gronk

    This is so childish. PC users are stuck with outdated crap and have no idea how to use a mac when they get one. That’s the issue. Mac is a far better system than PC and no one that has used both effectively can argue with that. Mac does every PC can do and so much more, and it does it effortlessly.

    I can run Windows on my Mac if I choose to. But I can’t run Mac on my PC.
    In ten years I’ve never had a virus or a malware on my Mac. My PC is constantly plagued with virus and malware no matter how often I update the security software. Windows constant lagging and malfunctions are a pain in the ass. On the other hand, I can have dozens of windows open on my Mac without an issue, you can’t do that on a PC.

    If you think Mac isn’t as good as PC, you should probably stick to PC, cause your probably not good enough for a Mac.
    Just saying.

    • ben franklin [pre death]

      LOL. Okay little hipster. You should get back to typing your screenplay in Starbucks. I have yet to meet an IT professional who has worked on BOTH who prefers OSX. So far, we all prefer Windows or Linux distros. Oh yeah, I remember one guy. He was an old timer UNIX aficionado who only used the UNIX shell in OSX b/c he hated the UI.

      • Crusty Gronk

        If you are an IT professional, I’m Gandhi. I have both PC and Mac at home and so does my wife. However, at work, we are forced to use PC. And what a pain in the arse it is. I notice here, those complaining about their Mac simply don’t understand it. As for Liz (below) saying she despises her Mac, what a joke. She hopes to hang on to her old PC, that tells me she doesn’t understand Mac, or the newer PCs. So, as I said, PC users are stuck with old antiquated junk. Stuck in the past. Learn how to use your Mac and you’ll understand. I’ve had a Macs for the last 9 years, best thing I ever did.

        Liz searches on PC rather than Mac? I use Firefox, how is that any different on my Mac than a PC? Click, type, search?

        I NEVER have to hunt for a program or a download, Mac makes it simple. If I save a document, I never have to go looking for it. It’s always right there. A brand new PC will lose your document or, not save it at all, which I’ve experienced using particular software on a new PC.

        And I don’t write screenplays, I write novels, on a Mac using Scrivener. And I don’t frequent Starbucks. Clearly you’re a Yank. I live in Australia. But naturally you assume EVERYONE must be from America. Ha…

        You people hang on to your old PCs, makes no difference to me. It’s your loss.

        Edit: In my op I said “anyone that has used Mac and PC effectively”, clearly you haven’t mastered both.

        • ben franklin [pre death]

          1st of all, Gandhi, if you want to respond to “Liz”, go ahead and do that. I’m not Liz. I am Ben Franklin and I have a MS in Computer Science and IT professional for 10 years. Worked in Linux, OS X, and Windows environments. Have a Mac Pro at home with Yosemite which I Bootcamp into Windows 7. I have the perfect perspective for this discussion. I, like just about every IT pro I’ve ever met, prefer OS in this order: Linux distros, Windows, OS X. Whatever you’re saying about “locating your file downloads” is absurd as even a novice (my father-in-law) can locate DL’d files in Windows.

          And, just so you know, I have mastered Windows and am a high level OS X user (IT pro who has worked in OS X, remember) and am able to work in UNIX (though I really don’t like it as much as many of the refined Linux distros). OS X is frustrating for anyone who isn’t looking for a black box, plug ‘n play experience.

          And boy did I get close with the hipster screenwriter comment lol. Hey man, for real, good luck writing that novel. I’m an avid reader and encourage literary professionals (there just are not enough in my opinion). Just try to stay within your element when commenting on things. Like literature and not IT. Peace.

  • ben franklin [pre death]

    Well said. Macs are definitely for black box users (IE don’t tell me what’s inside / how it works just make it work). Even then Macs can be a problem if you stray slightly into intermediate user territory.

  • ben franklin [pre death]

    Sorry, no. Again, another novice user prefers the black box style of OSX. Learn to kill processes on Windows. It is a finer level of control than just force quitting an app (which has NOT always worked btw ).

  • ben franklin [pre death]

    The author is complaining about cut and paste, not copying. It’s a fast way of moving files and I know exactly what he’s talking about. I have a Mac Pro with Yosemite and Bootcamp into Windows 7. Well versed in both. The inability to quickly cut/paste in Finder is truly stupid.

    Windows has a 1 stop shop for uninstalling which I have yet to experience problems with. It’s a centralized location for managing programs, apps, and even updates. No need to navigate through your apps to locate it and uninstall. No need to go to support folders and swim through the /Library/ directory. Just go to Programs, locate and uninstall. The major advantage of Windows is that you can easily roll back updates. Unfortunately, when I installed the new El Capitan OS X, it broke my $1000+ audio software suite with no patch / fix and I had to work for 3 hours rolling it back which required extensive Googling.

    Force Quit often fails and provides no access to individual processes unlike Task Manager which gives you much finer control over specific processes.

    If you’re a UNIX aficionado, you will probably prefer OS X since you can terminal into the shell and use your computer like it’s 1985 again. Luckily, most non-tech support Windows users don’t need to resort to the Command Line shell at all and can achieve full access to the OS’s “innards” via the UI.

    OS X is far from superior and falls flat on its face for any intermediate to advanced users (barring UNIX aficionados of course). As for the best OS, well any techie should already know it’s their favorite Linux distro. Peace.

    • Slam

      I wonder what kind of “innards” you can access with the Windows UI that is useful to more than 0.01% of the user base.

  • Max

    Apple needs to shove their shame and give the mouse two buttons.